Rodeo, lets just do this.

[Nathans_Dad]

Another interesting point is that the site Rodeo links to doesn't even use the word lie. Not once. Every statement says "This is why this statement is misleading:" Can we all agree to be a little more diligent on the use of the word lie??

[stevepaa]

Yeah, that would be nice. But the term has been grossly abused. It's like perjury, you must prove that the person uttering the statement knew it was a falsehood at the time of utterance. Most "lies" are incomplete misleading statements.

Even Rumsfeld when he said he knew exactly where the WMD were gets off the hook because he believed they were there. He didn't have any concrete evidence to show but he just believed they had to be there. He was wrong. He didn't lie, but he said a statment without a basis of evidence.

[stomachmonkey]

Well it all started with "read my lips, no new taxes!"

[nostatic]

well, according to dictionary.reference.com:

lie2
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

So it seems to hinge on intent. I suppose you could say that all the statements were just stupid/ill-informed and had no intent to deceive or give a wrong impression...

[fintstone]

Wow! Not one lie?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

"Congress saw the same intelligence as I did." he lied just the other day.

But what's a guy to do when all of his policies have failed and he has absolutely no plan for winning in Iraq and bringing our Military home? Deflect of course, blame the other side even though your party is overwhelmingly in control of all levels of government.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
"Congress saw the same intelligence as I did." he lied just the other day.

Nice, simple and recent.

Thread closed?

I think we should change this to "Bush's daily lie" thread. Every day, print what he says, find the lie and post it.

Doing a heck of a job Brownie.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
"Congress saw the same intelligence as I did." he lied just the other day.

First,

Rodeo, you now know why I don't take you seriously. You are what you claim Mull to be, an immature troll that spews rugurgitated partyline BS without either the knowledge or perhaps the ability to back it up. Please don't be shocked when I dismiss you offhand next time.


Shaun,

The above is a fair attempt. So you believe Bush saw different intelligence than Congress. I won't try to weasel on this at all as I heard Bush say it as well. So lets start here:

Do you have an example of intelligence that Bush received that Congress did not or is this an assumption that something different must have been in his PDB's or the like?

[Rodeo]

And its kind of an artificial construct to limit it only to words that flow from the president's mouth. He has lots of people that lie for him. Scotty McClellan is just amazing to watch. He either lies or ducks questions with amazing dexterity. Just to pick a couple:

Neither Karl Rove nor Scotter Libby had anything to do with leaking Valerie Plame's name. That became, we can't comment on a "pending investigation"

How about the president will fire anyone involved with leaking Valerie Plame's name. That became, if you are convicted of a crime, we'll probably fire you

How about the president does not support torture. All the wile the VP is on Capitol Hill lobbying as hard as he can against the McCain bill that passed 90-9

The doublespeak and duplicity is overwhelming.

[Rodeo]

Hey daddy, why don't you start arguing again that Plame was not covert? You sucked that one dry for about 10 pages, then wen off into the night with you tail between your legs. Without so much as an apology

Anytime you want to address the 55 quotes I provided within 1/2 hour of your challenge, feel free

Or, just call me names and declare victory.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy

Shaun,

The above is a fair attempt. So you believe Bush saw different intelligence than Congress. I won't try to weasel on this at all as I heard Bush say it as well. So lets start here:

Do you have an example of intelligence that Bush received that Congress did not or is this an assumption that something different must have been in his PDB's or the like?

Len, I don't need to provide an example. It is a fact that the President of the United States sees more and different intelligence that does anyone in Congress. You can choose to believe that bush and Congress saw the same intelligence, but that you would put you outside of reality.

Here's another lie by bush: "I will fire anyone involved in outing a CIA agent."

Then he changed it to "convicted of a crime."

hey, if you want to go down the same road hand in hand with Bill Clinton, that's fine by me, just know that you will suffer the consequences.

Please don't disappoint me.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Hey daddy, why don't you start arguing again that Plame was not covert? You sucked that one dry for about 10 pages, then wen off into the night with you tail between your legs. Without so much as an apology

Anytime you want to address the 55 quotes I provided within 1/2 hour of your challenge, feel free

Or, just call me names and declare victory.

Ok, here is the first one.


"I strongly believe he was trying to reconstitute his nuclear weapons program."
Source: President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss War on Terrorism, White House (7/17/2003).

This to you is a lie? Again, the reasons you're not to be taken seriously are self evident. [sigh]

[Rodeo]

Don't do it Shaun. He'll just keep asking questions, have you run around getting him answers that he will ignore with more loaded questions. When, after many, many pages, you finally tie up every conceivable loose end, he'll start another thread elsewhere. Click on his name and you will see he contributes sarcastic questions that suggest answers. And little else. As to actual data, or logical argument, you will find none.

Just take solace that daddy and those like him are down to 35% or so of the population .

[Jeff Higgins]

Didn't Dubya say he believed Kerry's military record to be accurate and legitimate, and that his medals were deserved? That's a whopper right there; I don't think even Kerry believed that one. He was just trying to be nice...

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Len, I don't need to provide an example. It is a fact that the President of the United States sees more and different intelligence that does anyone in Congress. You can choose to believe that bush and Congress saw the same intelligence, but that you would put you outside of reality.

Here's another lie by bush: "I will fire anyone involved in outing a CIA agent."

Then he changed it to "convicted of a crime."

hey, if you want to go down the same road hand in hand with Bill Clinton, that's fine by me, just know that you will suffer the consequences.

Please don't disappoint me.

So you believe it's a lie because the same info may have been on a different piece of paper or he received it from a different source? You admit you have no example of him having different material knowledge? YYou think a reasonible person would agree with you? Congress can get those PDB's (as we know) so don't you think one of them would be waving it around right now if one contained different intel?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
So you believe it's a lie because the same info may have been on a different piece of paper or he received it from a different source? You admit you have no example of him having different material knowledge? YYou think a reasonible person would agree with you? Congress can get those PDB's (as we know) so don't you think one of them would be waving it around right now if one contained different intel?

You've disappointed me.

See ya.

[lendaddy]

I think any fair minded person would see what happened here.

Thanks,

[Rodeo]

I told you Shaun:

Originally posted by Rodeo
Don't do it Shaun. He'll just keep asking questions, have you run around getting him answers that he will ignore with more loaded questions.

And what did he do?

Originally posted by lendaddy
So you believe it's a lie because the same info may have been on a different piece of paper or he received it from a different source? You admit you have no example of him having different material knowledge?

Run around an get him answers to those questions, he’ll have 5 more waiting. He tricks you into thinking he is seriously interested in hearing both sides, but it’s really some form of sadism or something. Bizarre.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
I told you Shaun:



And what did he do?



Run around an get him answers to those questions, he’ll have 5 more waiting. He tricks you into thinking he is seriously interested in hearing both sides, but it’s really some form of sadism or something. Bizarre.

Again, it's obvious.

[lendaddy]

What did I miss? In a nutshell...

Shaun said "Bush lied cause he said Congress saw the same intel he did."

I said "Ok, what did Bush see that they didn't?"

Shaun said "........stuff, obviously"

I said "seriously??????.........stuff? Any examples at all?"

Shaun said "I quit"


FIN