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nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by Tobra
I guess analogy must not mean what I think it does, I figured this would be a term used to compare similar situations.

Not sure I understand the confusion. Can you give an example of what you would consider an "analogy"?

dd74 · 07-05-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa

Someone "in the know" who wanted this leaked broke the law by giving this info to the NYT. First of all this person needs to be identified, prosecuted and when convicted, thrown in jail. This is black and white, that you do not disclose classified material. When you have a security clearance you are "recleared" every six months and sign a statement to this effect. I still have several of mine and its in bold print.

Then the two people who wrote the article and the editor to agreed to publish it as well need to be prosecuted and if found guilty then they need to join the person who leaked this information.

In this situation all sorts of people begged the NYT to hold on publishing the article. Democrats, Republicans, both in and out of office as well as others "in the know" asked the editor to hold but to no avail. They needed to sell newspapers and broke the law doing so. Believe that there is a newspaper at the prison and hope that they enjoy working on it for the next 20 years or so. At the end of this time they might better understand classified materials and their handling.

NYT coins itself "All the news fit to print." Well, classified or not, all bets are off when it hits the NYT's computer. It was, after all, news fit to print. If what they printed was secret, someone outside the paper dropped the ball. Tough *****! News is their job, whether it's good news for some or bad news for others.

Joeaksa · 07-05-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
NYT coins itself "All the news fit to print." Well, classified or not, all bets are off when it hits the NYT's computer. It was, after all, news fit to print. If what they printed was secret, someone outside the paper dropped the ball. Tough *****! News is their job, whether it's good news for some or bad news for others.

Thats the attitude that the NYT took and now they very well may go to jail over it. Turning our countries secrets over to everyone is against the law and they knew it.

Doing it while we are involved in a war threatens the lives of our military members worldwide, and civilians here in America. What are you going to say when someone here in America is killed by these terrorists? Oh well, it was news and they needed to sell papers...?

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally posted by nostatic
Not sure I understand the confusion. Can you give an example of what you would consider an "analogy"?

I think it must stem from comparing two completely different situations that have absolutely nothing to do with one another and calling it an analogy. Unless off course irony was the intention, you know, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, that sort of thing

So if the NYT putting this in the paper is fine and dandy, how is the Valerie Plame thing not also fine and dandy, wait, I just had a moment of insight...I am making the mistake of trying to logically and dispassionately look at it, a tactic that simply will not work on a mind that has been twisted to the left

Rodeo · 07-05-2006, 05:32 PM

Since you seem more than a bit challenged in the analogy department, try this one on for size:

"Actions speak louder than words"

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 05:56 PM

Loose lips sink ships.

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Tobra
So if the NYT putting this in the paper is fine and dandy, how is the Valerie Plame thing not also fine and dandy,

The only similarity the Plame game had to the recent intentional sabotage of the war effort, is they were both insiders attempting to undermine the Commander in Chief. Valerie Plame was actively working, hiding behind her CIA credentials, to sabotage the President...Isn't it interesting that the CIA, normally demonized by the left, are lionized by the left when they lie to undermine a sitting President?

fastpat · 07-05-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tobra
So if the NYT putting this in the paper is fine and dandy, how is the Valerie Plame thing not also fine and dandy, wait, I just had a moment of insight...I am making the mistake of trying to logically and dispassionately look at it, a tactic that simply will not work on a mind that has been twisted to the left

If you can't tell the difference between a newspaper exposing government wrongdoing and an official government leak to smear a credible source of other government wrongdoing, you are imbecilic.

Is that your problem, non-linear thinking?

Rodeo · 07-05-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
If you can't tell the difference between a newspaper exposing government wrongdoing and an official government leak to smear a credible source of other government wrongdoing, you are imbecilic.

1. I'm afraid Pat's analysis, as frank as it is, is spot on.

2. Nice diversion from the topic. Bush quietly closed the CIA office dedicated to finding ObL. If it wasn't for NPR, no one would know about it. When the move was exposed, the admin boasted that closing the office was actually a re-affirmation of their commitment to catch ObL.

And the true believers went along with this, like they go along with ever other piece of hogwash propaganda the Rove machine puts out. Remember the topic?

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
If you can't tell the difference between a newspaper exposing government wrongdoing and an official government leak to smear a credible source of other government wrongdoing, you are imbecilic.

Valerie Plame was complicit in sending a liar, Democrat operative, to Niger, return and attempt to undermine a sitting President battling an enemy. Valerie Plame, therefore, aided and abetted the enemy...She and her husband should have been brought up on charges of treason and both should have been hung.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

I find it interesting that the LA Times and WSJ both published information aobut the SWIFT program and only the NYT is somehow to blame? Reminds me of the condemnation of France when 60+ countries also didnt' buy the lies about Iraq.

But wasnt' this thread about Bush de-prioritizing the search for the Criminal of the Century?

Mulhollanddose · 06:32 PM

You would think that Valerie Plame would have had the sense to prohibit her husband from writing an op-ed in the New York Times, as all of Washington D.C. knew who she was and, therefore, she risked exposure. If she cared so much about her status and her program she would have warned Joe Wilson of the risks and that he was exposing her....The fact is she was a Democrat operative actively seeking to undermine the President and undermine the war effort...She was nothing more than a mole, serving the enemy, in bed with a liar.

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by techweenie
I find it interesting that the LA Times and WSJ both published information aobut the SWIFT program and only the NYT is somehow to blame?

The WSJ were scheduled to cover the NY Times leak...It became news the moment it was exposed...I see you are regurgitating the left propaganda quite accurately.

Joeaksa · 07-05-2006, 06:31 PM

"Bush closed the office?" Last time I looked he is the President, not head of the CIA.

Does this mean that anything done while he is in office is done by him? Does this mean that in the federal building in Boise Idaho that he is changing the rolls of toilet paper?

Come on, you can do better than that, especially as a lawyer!

Rodeo · 07-05-2006, 06:38 PM

Yes, the president is responsible for closing the ObL office.

Presidents get praise for the successes of their subordinates and condemnation for their failures.

As your favorite president said, the oval office is where the buck stops.

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Yes, the president is responsible for closing the ObL office.

Presidents get praise for the successes of their subordinates and condemnation for their failures.

As your favorite president said, the oval office is where the buck stops.

Listen, last time we let Democrats run a war we got a quagmire. It took a Republican to develop an exit-strategy and the Democrats to guarantee a total meltdown after we pulled out...I think it is wise to not listen to anything you or your types have to say about how to effectively run the war on terrorism.

Rodeo · 07-05-2006, 06:53 PM

I see you came over to throw up on this thread.

Thanks for stopping by.

fastpat · 07-05-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Listen, last time we let Democrats run a war we got a quagmire. It took a Republican to develop an exit-strategy and the Democrats to guarantee a total meltdown after we pulled out...I think it is wise to not listen to anything you or your types have to say about how to effectively run the war on terrorism.

There is no "War on Terrorism", if there was the US Air Force would bomb the biggest terrorist camp on the planet, the Pentagon.

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
There is no "War on Terrorism", if there was the US Air Force would bomb the biggest terrorist camp on the planet, the Pentagon.

What are your GPS coordinates?

Mulhollanddose · 07-05-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
I see you came over to throw up on this thread.

Thanks for stopping by.

You lefties totally destabilized the ME. To this day we are dealing with the fallout of Jimmah Carter's policies.