No to Murtha as Majority Leader

[hytem]

I've been watching MSNBC the past week or so since the elections, and, frankly, I don't know how anybody can watch this stuff all the time without getting nauseous. There is so much overkill on these 24 hr cable "news" stations--about 10% facts and 90% opinion--TV "journalism" at its worst.

First the Democrats have to act "immediately" on Iraq. Never mind the election results don't take effect until Jan 1. Next, there is this House no.2 "race", which msn.com now says is a "lose-lose" for Pelosi. ??? What a bunch of crap--in Murtha's now famous words, which have been hyped out of proportion on MSNBC and those other hype-news networks. The mediots are part of the problem...Obermann take note.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by fintstone
***All we really know for sure is that he did not turn it down. An honest man would have.

Who you gonna believe, your eyes and ears or fint?

You are one deranged human being.

[Rodeo]

I spent some "quality time" with the ENTIRE Murtha video last night. It's like 18 minutes long I think. After some chit chat about real estate and the price of hotels in Washington DC, Murtha makes a strong pitch to get these guys to invest in his home district, to invest in some ailing coal companies so they don't go out of business before new regs will again make them profitable.

He pushes this agenda, and pushes it hard, for the remaining part of the tape. He also tell them over and over that they don't need his help to get their friend in the country. He says this repeatedly, clearly inferring that he has nothing to "sell" them, since they can do it themselves. Then he goes back to get their big bucks "client" to invest in his district. The guy is relentless in seeking to help the coal businesses in his district.

The final 6 or 7 seconds of the tape is him saying he won't take the money, and adds "not now." I think it is clear that he is only trying to keep them at the table to do what he pushes them to do for 99.99% f the substantive discussion -- invest in his district.

Four guys took the money. He's the only one that turned it down.

[the]

Why'd you leave the part out where he follows "not now" with "maybe later, maybe after we've done business for a while" etc.?

[Rodeo]

Because I didn't hear it.

There's three vids on youtube, two in the 7 minute range, and one that's a few seconds. The last one is the bribe effort, and he does not say what you report.

[the]

AMOROSO: Let me ask you now we're here together. I was under the impression, okay, and I told Howard we were willing to pay. And, okay, [opens the drawer and shows money] I went out and got the fifty thousand. From what you're telling me, you're telling me that's not what, you know, that that's not what you...

MURTHA: I'm not interested.

AMOROSO: Okay.

MURTHA: At this point.

AMOROSO: Okay.

MURTHA: You know, we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested, maybe I won't, you know.

I've highlighted the parts in case you are as hard of reading as hard of hearing.

That's not exactly an indignant refusal of the money, now is it? It's a crafty way of leaving it on the table until you have developed a high enough level of trust in the briber to take the money.

No one ever said Murtha was stupid. Just corrupt.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by the
AMOROSO: Let me ask you now we're here together. I was under the impression, okay, and I told Howard we were willing to pay. And, okay, [opens the drawer and shows money] I went out and got the fifty thousand. From what you're telling me, you're telling me that's not what, you know, that that's not what you...

MURTHA: I'm not interested.

AMOROSO: Okay.

MURTHA: At this point.

AMOROSO: Okay.

MURTHA: You know, we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested, maybe I won't, you know.

I've highlighted the parts in case you are as hard of reading as hard of hearing.

That's not exactly an indignant refusal of the money, now is it? It's a crafty way of leaving it on the table until you have developed a high enough level of trust in the briber to take the money.

No one ever said Murtha was stupid. Just corrupt.

Your petty name calling aside, you could be correct. He could also have been trying, as he did for THE ENTIRE TAPE, to keep these guys at the table to get them to help out his ailing district with an investment.

I don't know and neither do you. The phrase "after we've done business for a while," in the context of the tape, means to me "invest in my district and we'll talk again." Let's do the business I want and we'll then talk about the business you want. It's a polite way of saying no while trying to get them to say yes to his proposal.

Again, he kept saying over and over that he could not help them, that they did not need his help. Not the words of someone looking for a bribe.

BTW, I'm taking your word for the quote, none of that is on any tape available on youtube.

[lendaddy]

There are portions of the tape missing as I've seen other clips that aren't in there. For instance there is a part when Murtha discusses how he'd like him to invest in specific businesses within his district because [something like] although he (Murtha) doesn't have a direct interest in the companies, their success would help him greatly. This was a different part fom the coal investment discussion.

[Rodeo]

Hoyer won easily today.

[the]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Your petty name calling aside, you could be correct.

Are you anti-petty name calling?!?

[Rodeo]

I've decided not to engage you any further. You're not the kind of person I chose to talk to. I'm sure there are discussions where everyone agrees with every bonehead idea in your head.

[lendaddy]

I think he's an anti-dentite.

[KFC911]

A rabid anti-dentite?

[the]

Originally posted by Rodeo
You're not the kind of person I chose to talk to.

The kind that demonstrates beyond all doubt that you are wrong.

Innenets winna!

[the]

P.S. You should put me on your Ignore List.

[cowtown]

Originally posted by Rodeo
You're not the kind of person I chose to talk to.

Hey you're making some real progress here, Rodeo.

How many members does Pelican have? You just have to choose not to talk to the rest of them and this place could be fun again!

Choose not to talk to us soon! Please!

[Superman]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Yep, I couldn't care less. What will be...will be.

But watching Rodeo pretzel himself to defend his hero is entertaining.

I'm sorry but I have to confess. I think Rodeo is almost always pretty much spot-on, and yet it is hilarious watching Len bait him. It's like Len's got a big red cape and Rodeo just keeps getting angrier and angrier.

Rodeo, Len is playing with you.

Okay, now back to reading. I had only gotten to Page 2.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by cowtown
Hey you're making some real progress here, Rodeo.

How many members does Pelican have? You just have to choose not to talk to the rest of them and this place could be fun again!

Choose not to talk to us soon! Please!

You are the other one that is always mean and vindictive. The ony posts I have read of your in weeks are those that attack me. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard you address an an actual issue.

The Bush crowd attracts a lot of thugs ... mean, unpleasant people that can't participate except to cheerlead their side or attack the other. You're one of them.

[rcecale]

Originally posted by Rodeo
The Bush crowd attracts a lot of thugs ... mean, unpleasant people that can't participate except to cheerlead their side or attack the other.

Oh, come on! With a theme song like this, we can be all that bad.

Randy

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Rodeo
You are the other one that is always mean and vindictive. The ony posts I have read of your in weeks are those that attack me. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard you address an an actual issue.

The Bush crowd attracts a lot of thugs ... mean, unpleasant people that can't participate except to cheerlead their side or attack the other. You're one of them.

Dont forget me, Coifer!