Drugs - Page 2

Jeff Higgins · 04-03-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
This is not borne out by any statistics. If you want it you will get it - whether it is illegal or not. And just because it's legal doesn't increase demand. There have been many studies on this, and the results are very, very clear. Legalization will not increase use.

Exactly. The folks prone to abuse are already on the radar as alcoholics. Legalizing any other substance will not increase those numbers one little bit. That is a false premise, reasonable sounding at first glance, that has been perpetuated by the "drug warriors".

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are just as many folks making a fortune off of fighting this "war" as there are selling the drugs. It is in those folks' best interest to keep them illegal. Business is good right now.

Joeaksa · 04-03-2007, 08:48 AM

Agree and most anyone I know of can get pot just about anytime that they want it, its available ANYWHERE these days.

The numbers of people we are putting in prison are simply astounding and we are overwhelming our prison systems for nothing, another mood altering drug like whiskey or beer.

Tishabet · 04-03-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Grant,
Pot is easy to grow, tobacco not so much and anyone that has ever tried to home brew beer or make wine knows that it is fun yet very time consuming (if you want a good product). Folks that abuse alcohol are typically not the type to spend the time and money involved. Much easier and cheaper to snag a 40 or a fifth.

Tobacco is dead easy to grow; I've done it. Natural pesticide and nice flowers to boot!
Although I've never made it, I know that white lightning is also dead easy to make... just get some sugar, and you can make stuff that will practically run your car.
You see, I agree with you: people will always go out and buy. Why would legalized, highly taxed drugs alter that trend?

Superman · 04-03-2007, 09:13 AM

Another redistribution of wealth question. Some people and corporations are making big dough with this prohibition thing. Do we keep that money flow, or redirect it toward more legitimate and visible and public goals.

Treatment might be one of those goals. Drug use is treated as a crime here, but it's really a health problem.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

drug abuse is a health problem. drug use isn't.

austin552 · austin552's Garage

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Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Grant,
Pot is easy to grow

When done right, its not as easy as you think. The more time, money and work you put into it the better the results.
But what do I know???

Legalize and tax.

Jeff Higgins · 04-03-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
drug abuse is a health problem. drug use isn't.

Right on. In too many people's perception, however, any use = "abuse". The "warriors" propoganda campaign has been that successfull.

Moneyguy1 · 04-03-2007, 10:13 AM

Just a thought...When something becomes real easy to get, doesn't it lose some of its attractiveness?

Joeaksa · 04-03-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by austin552
When done right, its not as easy as you think. The more time, money and work you put into it the better the results.
But what do I know???

Legalize and tax.

Sorry, I used to be in the nursery (plant) business and pot is a weed. It grows by the side of the road in many mid-western states. To get it to a really high percentage of THC it does take a bit more work but its a WEED and not hard to grow.

Agree with the legalize and tax. End the criminal viewpoint of this drug.

cashflyer · 04-03-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by pmajka
Whoah!You could be on to something here...could pot be the next biofuel...and what impact would it have on the environment.

Google is your friend. There has been a lot of research already done on this topic, and the numbers all come up very favorable for using hemp as a biofuel resource.
http://www.hempreport.com
http://www.industrialhemp.net/

Though I guess this is OT for the discussion of legalized MJ.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Right on. In too many people's perception, however, any use = "abuse". The "warriors" propoganda campaign has been that successfull.

stop agreeing with me. next thing we'll both like guns and porsches.

oh wait...

Jeff Higgins · 04-03-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
stop agreeing with me. next thing we'll both like guns and porsches.

oh wait...

I must respectfully disagree. Not sure why; maybe out of habit...

azasadny · azasadny's Garage

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Originally posted by pmajka
Pot will never be legalized because it can grow wild everywhere.

The govt wont be able to control it and thus, collect taxes. No taxes, not legal.

Every regular Joe will have plant or two, if not Crops of it for personal use.

Imagine a world where Pork bellies and Refer Futures are on the Nasdaq?

I brew my own beer and it's not at all difficult to do. How does your theory address this?

JavaBrewer · JavaBrewer's Garage

If drugs are legalized I wonder if the prison population will go down, as postulated above, or up due to usage and resulting injury/accident? If folks can't stay away from things known to incarcerate them how are they going to *control* their behavior while high? What about the law abiders who have so far abstained? Who is to say that once they cross the bridge their lose their ability to control it?

That said, I'm in favor of pot being legalized, but not the harder narcotics.

steve185 · 04-03-2007, 01:08 PM

Drugs are for losers and are a constant drain on society. Legalizing marijuana would be starting down a slippery slope, I am sure every crack user, heroin junkie or coke head started out on marijuana.
I don't want to be on the highway with someone that is stoned anymore than I would with someone that is impared by alcohol.
Steve

legion · 04-03-2007, 01:16 PM

The Gateway Drug Theory is based on a stastical fallacy.

It is true that among hard drug users, most started out using pot.

However, it is not true that among pot users, most move on to hard drugs

There are two groups:

A: Hard drug users
B: Pot users

Given A, most belong to B.

However, given B, very few belong to A.

The whole "Gatway" theory alleges that given B, most will become A, given enought time. This is false.

thinkfloyd14 · 04:06 PM

Jesus smoked pot

http://www.think.cz/issue/03/1.html

Superman · 04-03-2007, 04:56 PM

The Gateway Drug Theory is based on the same statistics that have folks here believing that pirates cause global warming. Of course they also believe in pirates but not global warming, but I guess that's my point. Not everyone is a statistician.

Dottore · 04-03-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by steve185
Drugs are for losers and are a constant drain on society. Legalizing marijuana would be starting down a slippery slope, I am sure every crack user, heroin junkie or coke head started out on marijuana.

Steve

This is completely incorrect.

arcsine · 04-03-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by steve185
Drugs are for losers and are a constant drain on society. Legalizing marijuana would be starting down a slippery slope, I am sure every crack user, heroin junkie or coke head started out on marijuana.
I don't want to be on the highway with someone that is stoned anymore than I would with someone that is impared by alcohol.
Steve

And as far as marijuana as a threshold drug, you should see the statistical correlation of heroin use preceded by chocolate addition. We better do away with chocolate too.