Drugs

[steve185]

Drugs are still for losers.

[pmajka]

Originally posted by azasadny
I brew my own beer and it's not at all difficult to do. How does your theory address this?

Walk in to any bar and ask any bar fly alcoholic how much beer or wine they brew. chances are you will get a blank stare.
Ask any pot head if he has attempted to grow a plant, and you would get a yes. there would probably be more success if we could get the plant out of the closet or basement, legally.


Hard to brew beer , no, but on a scale of 1 to 10

1 Easy is throwing some coin at bartender
2 Tossing some seeds in the dirt and hoping for rain.
3 growing a plant
4 is brewing your own beer (requires more dedication and prep work than growing a plant)

10 Brewmeister for some fine champagne or cognac.

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by pmajka
Walk in to any bar and ask any bar fly alcoholic how much beer or wine they brew. chances are you will get a blank stare.
Ask any pot head if he has attempted to grow a plant, and you would get a yes. there would probably be more success if we could get the plant out of the closet or basement, legally.

Significant flaw in your logic here... marijuana is illegal. You think nobody made their own alchohol during prohibition?

[competentone]

Originally posted by steve185
Legalizing marijuana would be starting down a slippery slope, I am sure every crack user, heroin junkie or coke head started out on marijuana.

Actually, most who abuse drugs, got their start with alcohol -- that's the first step onto the "slippery slope" that starts the abuse.

So let's ban alcohol!

No wait, they tried that already. It didn't work.

Drug abuse (and in some cases even "use" if not related to use for medicinal purposes) is a psychological problem.

It is just plain stupid to be using the police and judicial system to try to correct the problem.

To have the police trying to stop drug abuse, is about as dumb as trying to have social services stop bank robberies!

[legion]

Originally posted by competentone
To have the police trying to stop drug abuse, is about as dumb as trying to have social services stop bank robberies!

Spot on.

[pmajka]

Originally posted by Tshabet
Significant flaw in your logic here... marijuana is illegal. You think nobody made their own alchohol during prohibition?

Take the law out of it...it is easier to grow a plant then care for a fermented beverage.

People do want easy. Easier to buy than brew. This is all conjecture anyway....

We have no idea what pricepoint and weight the Govt would set for a doobie to make it more attractive to buy vs grow your own.

Oh, and I know people brewed during prohibition...Great Granny was a boot legger. only caught and jailed once. (lost house and children for a while).

[The Gaijin]

Who is pushing this - the snack food lobby?

Pot is a huge cash crop right now, with all profits going to growers and sellers. I dont buy it and rarely see it, but I hear the price is quite reasonable. And it is widely available.

So why would producers, sellers and users want to involve government? Just think of the taxes, the regulations and the marketing hype. With legalization - the present day growers and distibutors would be pushed right out of a good racket. And I doubt users would see any improvement in quality or lower costs.

So mostly, I bet they all want to be left alone.

[legion]

The feds and local swat teams bust these operations all the time. They pat themselves on the back for shutting down a "big operation" and confiscate all of the owner's property. Thing is, stuff goes on pretty much unchanged. Pot is widely available and cheap. We are filling our prisons with growers/dealers, all the while never really denting production or usage.

[notfarnow]

Originally posted by legion
The feds and local swat teams bust these operations all the time. They pat themselves on the back for shutting down a "big operation" and confiscate all of the owner's property.

Yep, and weigh the whole pile... stems, roots and all, then multiply that by the highest imagineable street price.

"We took 2 million dollars of deadly marijuana off the street"

Yes, for all those people who are paying $30 a gram for roots

[bivenator]

The war for drugs is a failure. One single anecdote tells me this. In 1882 the price in Houston for 7 and 1/2 grams of marijuana was 20$. Today in Houston the price is still 20$. Can you name any product that the price has remained unchanged after 25 years?
Legalize and tax, reality awaits.

[arcsine]

Originally posted by bivenator
In 1882 the price in Houston for 7 and 1/2 grams of marijuana was 20$.

Is that corrected for inflation? Didn't know they were lighting up while fending off natives and the Spanish.

[RoninLB]

Pic of completely legal hallucinogenic Angel Trumpet plant at 14k' in the Andes last Nov. I was told they are also legal in the US and Fla flower show buffs grow them.

party hearty.

[Dutchie]

In 1882 the price in Houston for 7 and 1/2 grams of marijuana was 20$.

Now 2 gramms of the top weed here costs 20 euros. Legalize it

[nota]

Originally posted by steve185
Drugs are for losers and are a constant drain on society. Legalizing marijuana would be starting down a slippery slope, I am sure every crack user, heroin junkie or coke head started out on marijuana.
I don't want to be on the highway with someone that is stoned anymore than I would with someone that is impared by alcohol.
Steve

after about a million miles driven stoned,
in a goverment truck
all I can say is BS

pot doesnot make you crazy like being drunk
you donot speed or drive recklessly without fear
but slower and more carefully
it is just not near the same effect


I do know many drunks who have had bad crashes
and many pill users qualudes esp
but not one person who ever said I was too high on pot and killed a box of nuns and some kittens
it just doesnot happen
quit parroting goverment LIES

[nota]

Originally posted by bivenator
The war for drugs is a failure. One single anecdote tells me this. In 1882 the price in Houston for 7 and 1/2 grams of marijuana was 20$. Today in Houston the price is still 20$. Can you name any product that the price has remained unchanged after 25 years?
Legalize and tax, reality awaits.

CHEAPER IN MIAMI
allways has been
grades vary but basic oz is still 40 to 80
and has not changed late 70's to date

[Turbo_pro]

Drug use by parents generally constitutes child abuse.

As a recovering crack addict I know of what I speak.

Middle class SO.Cal. family, good income, reasonable education, started in high school with occasional alcohol and pot use. 70s experimenting with LSD, mushrooms Peyote. In the 80s, cocaine use Valium and vitamin Q. Downward spiral all through the 80s and the witness to this journey was our son starting at 4. He was well fed never neglected (accept emotionally) but at the age of 10 he was the only adult in the family. In the end, an 8 year crack habit that ended in the closet (6 day run) of our $1,000,000 house. Wouldn't wish that on anyone. Jail, institutions and Death. In 1981 two friends and I decided that crack was the devil and sacrificed our crack pipes to the surf gods. 10 years later I was in a hospital, K was in jail (12 to 15 for sales) and F was dead for cocaine poisoning.

Abused as children in alcoholic families may be one of the nations biggest problems for young adults and you would choose to add to that. Ridiculous.

Only legalize pot? The drug world is a culture of all drugs. When I was using I never met a user that said, I just smoke pot, I'll pass on the line. Buttons , I'll pass but I'll take the lude. Pot dealer with no other drugs. It's was possible but generally rare. Drugs is drugs.
At my end it was Corona, crack and Ding Dongs and valiums to come down so I could work the next day. Sound rare, guess again.

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally posted by azasadny
I brew my own beer and it's not at all difficult to do. How does your theory address this?

Art,
I have brewed beer as well and it tales more time than baking a batch of brownies for sure. The general population would much rather buy than make - now more than ever.

Grant,
I stand corrected - growing tobacco may not be as difficulot as growing orchids so I guess I should change my statement and sya that making a good cigar or cig is not easy. Drying the leaves and knowing how to cut and roll requires some know how and work.

Many years ago, people would make all sorts of stuff, that mentallity is gone because we live in a Wal-Mart age of immediate gratifaction.

You make drugs legal and there will be a sharp increase in abuse. Only now are we beginning to recognize the ill effects of tobacco and alcohol now you want to add another into the mix?

[Lothar]

Once again, the "War on Drugs" must be judged by its results rather than its intent. The intent might be to keep people from harming themselves by the use of drugs. While well-meaning, the result has been to waste an enormous amount of taxpayer dollars, needlessly imprison a lot of people for possession, and creating a criminal culture around the distribution of drugs.

Forget the taxing. Rather than adding one more form of government thievery, why not eliminate ten others. Legalize drugs for the simple reason that criminalizing them has been a disaster.

Here's a discussion of U.S. drug policy where Pete Wilson gets his ass handed to him by Milton Friedman.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8056316969143175615&q=Milton+Friedman+Pete+Wilson&hl=en

[pwd72s]

Milton Friedman handed a lot of people their asses on a wide variety of topics. He was a brilliant man. IMO the greatest economist ever.

[Sonic dB]

After living my life to this point...dabbling in some drugs and alcohal...but
basically living clean...my point of view is that people who are habitually
using drugs, whether hard core or even recreational such as pot, are
compensating for some missing elements in our lifes. I mean we ALL
have missing elements in our life and in our personas....but to try and
use drugs to get to this element, simply is not for me....

the problem with legalizing hard core drugs...is that this would represent
an "its ok" form of permission that hard core drug use is fine for many
in this world, particularly the younger generation. Can you imagine being 12
and seeing pot or cocaine on the shelf at the party store...getting a "buyer"
so they can get some for you? I dont think this
is a good idea... in fact, its a terrible idea that I hope never happens.


Drugs tend to hypersensitize pre-existing conditions.

In other words: A person with serious problems becomes much
worse when repeatedly exposed to drug use, whether it be
pot or hard core, doesnt matter.

Ive seen this happen to 2 people close to me in my life: Life
Ruined by drug use which excerbated their pre existing problems
making them worse..... its a bad line, drugs.