Valerie Plame Wilson in Long Beach tonight - anyone going?

[Chocaholic]

I guess this one applies in this thread, so .... here it is again:

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by JCF

An unclassified summary of Plames employment history disclosed for the first time in May '05 by Patrick Fitzgerald indicated that Plame was still covert in July "03 and that she was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division from 2002 and based at Langley.
While engaged at the CPD she travelled UNDERCOVER overseas 7-10 times on "official business"

Joe, What is your source ?

If that's the case, then the CIA was, itself, criminally negligent in failing to take adequate steps to conceal her identity. Why did they let her hubby do the mission to Niger? Conflict of interest, anyone? Wouldn't they have wanted someone who could not be linked in any way to a covert agent? Why didn't they make Joe Wilson sign a confidentiality agreement? Any chance they wanted him to go public? Why didn't they ask him for a written report after his Niger trip? Because they didn't want anything that might contradict his subsequent statements, like when he lied to the Senate Intel. Committee? Why didn't they make him clear his NYT op-ed with them, like they did his wife's book? Any chance they WANTED him to write that NYT op-ed? Why didn't they give Plame a cover to put as her employer on her donation to Al Gore's 2000 campaign? Hey, maybe the CIA is just totally incompetent at this stuff. It surely was no secret around town where she worked, which means it was no secret to foreign governments. The amazing thing here is that despite the CIA's dropping the ball and Armitage's admission that he was the "leaker", the Bush Derrangement Syndrome nuts still want to blame Rove/Libby/Bush/Cheney, etc.

[JCF]

The CIA does seem to be pretty incompetent but that is beside the point.
From what I have read there was NO PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that she was an UNDERCOVER OPERATIVE until the article.

Wouldn't they, Why, Any chance, Why , maybe , it surely - Nice bit of speculation there Rick - but any substance ?

Certainly is amazing.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

All that typing and what do you have? 100% speculation and conjecture. Try starting off with facts rather than "If" followed by a bunch of rhetorical questions.

Armitage should be tried for treason, and if found guilty, executed.

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

If that's the case, then the CIA was, itself, criminally negligent in failing to take adequate steps to conceal her identity. Why did they let her hubby do the mission to Niger? Conflict of interest, anyone? Wouldn't they have wanted someone who could not be linked in any way to a covert agent? Why didn't they make Joe Wilson sign a confidentiality agreement? Any chance they wanted him to go public? Why didn't they ask him for a written report after his Niger trip? Because they didn't want anything that might contradict his subsequent statements, like when he lied to the Senate Intel. Committee? Why didn't they make him clear his NYT op-ed with them, like they did his wife's book? Any chance they WANTED him to write that NYT op-ed? Why didn't they give Plame a cover to put as her employer on her donation to Al Gore's 2000 campaign? Hey, maybe the CIA is just totally incompetent at this stuff. It surely was no secret around town where she worked, which means it was no secret to foreign governments. The amazing thing here is that despite the CIA's dropping the ball and Armitage's admission that he was the "leaker", the Bush Derrangement Syndrome nuts still want to blame Rove/Libby/Bush/Cheney, etc.

[Rick Lee]

Some of it is speculation. Some of it is 100% fact. She did list her employer on her check to Gore's campaign - that's a fact. Can't remember if it was CIA or one of their front companies, but it was a giveaway. Her real name did appear in Who's Who in America - not exactly SOP for covert agents. It was no secret where she worked and well before Novak wrote about it. If it was a secret, why would her hubby write an op-ed that would guarantee scrutiny as to how he got that assignment? I just have a hard time believing Plame, her husband and the CIA all wanted her covert status to be maintained. Their combined behavior points toward the opposite. What explanation do you guys have other than Rove/Libby/Cheney/Bush did it?

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Sammy, you wouldn't know a fact if Jefferson and Madison themselves told you they laid the groundwork for the modern Democratic Party (as an offshoot anyway), NOT the modern Republican Party as you have said. Just one of many "facts" you've been so wrong on in the past.

I thought Lincoln was the roots of the repubs, Jefferson the dimocrats. So if Novak printed it, and Armitage provided the info, how exactly is this a plot by the Darth Vader and his boys again?

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Sooooo. . . You aspire to be like Lenin. Good to know.

Huh, how do you get that, I think he was referring to the folks interested in what this opportunist has to say being useful idiots. This makes you an idiot, but good for something, so you have that going for you. It does not indicate any emulation of Lenin on his part

man, those are some homely democrat gals. You guys bagging on Rick should perhaps support your own positions prior to pointing fingers at him. He is pointing out the holes in what you are saying, but that holds no interest for you.

[JCF]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Some of it is speculation. Some of it is 100% fact. She did list her employer on her check to Gore's campaign - that's a fact. Can't remember if it was CIA or one of their front companies, but it was a giveaway. Her real name did appear in Who's Who in America - not exactly SOP for covert agents. It was no secret where she worked and well before Novak wrote about it. If it was a secret, why would her hubby write an op-ed that would guarantee scrutiny as to how he got that assignment? I just have a hard time believing Plame, her husband and the CIA all wanted her covert status to be maintained. Their combined behavior points toward the opposite. What explanation do you guys have other than Rove/Libby/Cheney/Bush did it?

99 % speculation

Hey, what do Max Cleland, John Kerry, Murtha , the fellow who called BS on the body armour, and oh yes John McCaine all have in common....

[Rick Lee]

The questions I asked were not at all based on speculation. They were based on concrete actions by the people involved. My guesses as to why they did what were speculation, but a lot more educated than what the BDS folks have written here. Can you not do any critical thinking if there's some chance the people you hate may not be the bad guys?

[fintstone]

If Plame had been undercover, Armatige would be in prison for outing her. After spending millions investigating every Republican in DC...no one went to jail for disclosing her identity.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by fintstone

If Plame had been undercover, Armatige would be in prison for outing her. After spending millions investigating every Republican in DC...no one went to jail for disclosing her identity.

And that's probably because the CIA itself was the most guilty party, in that they took few if any steps to conceal her identity or protect her status.

[JCF]

Originally Posted by fintstone

After spending millions investigating every Republican in DC...no one went to jail .

And we all know that NEVER happens.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by JCF

And we all know that NEVER happens.

there are plenty of republicans in jail

[legion]

Originally Posted by Tobra

there are plenty of republicans in jail

Illinois' former governor just checked-in today.

(Now we just need to get the current governor in there too.)

[JCF]

Originally Posted by Tobra

there are plenty of republicans in jail

Ha - That's funny.
But not as many as there should be.

Actually I was referring to the fact that there are plenty of politicians OF ALL PARTIES that are guilty of crimes and should be in jail - but are not.
Politics as usual.

[fintstone]

Plame and Wilson should be in jail. Both lied in order to damage their own government,

[on-ramp]

Originally Posted by legion

Let me guess:

"Boo hoo! Whoa is me! My life is ruined!" (My public-speaking fee is $500,000...)

exactly

[JCF]

Where did you find that ?
Looks phoney.

Hey , now that she doesn't work for the gov, why can't she make as much as she can get ?
If she prefered to stay at the CIA for less money but was forced out because of political games she may be better off in the end financialy but it sucks for the USA.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by JCF

Where did you find that ?
Looks phoney.

Hey , now that she doesn't work for the gov, why can't she make as much as she can get ?
If she prefered to stay at the CIA for less money but was forced out because of political games she may be better off in the end financialy but it sucks for the USA.

What exactly looks phoney about it? You can request a copy too. It was declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act. Something Wilson and Plame never expected when they were telling their lies about how Wilson's involvement was somehow Cheney's idea and Plame had nothing to do with it

The problem I personally have with the money she is making is that it is at the expense of our country. Her celebrity is a direct result of her/her husband attempting to undermine her own country...while drawing a paycheck from the same. It is no different than letting a foreign spy or criminal benefit from a book or speaking engagement discussing their crime. It the very least...it provides her a forum to continue telling the same lies that have already been exposed.

Plame was never forced to leave the CIA. She voluntarily left for a more lucrative career...but you are right..."it sucks for the USA."

[legion]

Originally Posted by fintstone

What exactly looks phoney about it?

Fint, just tell them that the memo is fake but the information is real...then they'll believe it.

[JCF]

Just show me the source and maybe THEN I'll believe it.

If you can PROVE IT then I will agree it stinks.
Given the record of Rove and co. (and everything I've read - so far) I believe there was politics involved in the publishing of the information.

The attitude alone aint gonna get it done.