Saudi Justice

[Chuck Moreland]

Originally Posted by Superman

Isn't this a euphemism that means the US is an obstacle to wiping out Israel and the jews?

What other specific affairs is the US interfering with?

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Unbelievable, Chuck. Unbelievable.

Maybe I'm a little slow on the uptake.

Will you humor me and answer my question?

[Superman]

Well Chuck, there is a country called "Iraq." For example.

[Superman]

Mul: Nevermind.

[Chuck Moreland]

Originally Posted by Superman

Well Chuck, there is a country called "Iraq." For example.

But, but, but.....didn't we go into Iraq after:

Iran hostage taking
Beirut barracks bombing
USS Cole Bombing
WTC bombing # 1
WTC 9/11
etc.


So how can Iraq can be the affair-meddling that prompted the hatred, violence, and terrorism?

Iraq was a response to the hatred, not the instigation.

[Mule]

Brain of steel glowing red, 'eh Supe? Give it up Dude. I'm starting to feel like I'm boxing with a retarded kid. And yep, the saudi courts are part of a "murderous cult."

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Although I think this sentence is ridiculous and would love to see the judge(s) strung up by their testicles for it, it isn't our place to be questioning it. Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia was a sovereign country, no?

Then again, so was Iraq, and it didn't mean too much then either, so I guess maybe it is okay to intervene.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Chuck Moreland

But, but, but.....didn't we go into Iraq after:

Iran hostage taking
Beirut barracks bombing
USS Cole Bombing
WTC bombing # 1
WTC 9/11
etc.


So how can Iraq can be the affair-meddling that prompted the hatred, violence, and terrorism?

Iraq was a response to the hatred, not the instigation.

None of those things had anything to do with Iraq. But don't let that trouble you.

[Superman]

C'mon, Chuck. The Shah of Iran, as another massive example. Lemme ask you this. Let's say there is a small planet on which there is a fairly large nation that is rich in nearly all major resources but not crude oil and is the undisputed heavyweight economic champion. Let's say there is a region half way around the globe that is terribly underdeveloped but is floating on a sea of crude. What are the chances that the economic powerhouse will not exercise every ounce of its influence to bend the decisions of that region in its favor? Realistically. What are the chances? Let's put it another way. Let's say the economic powerhouse has a leader who refuses to interfere in this way. Let's say that the hundred or so corporations and the other most powerful groups in that country also had leaders that refused to take advantage of that potential influence. How long would you expect those leaders to stay in position before someone takes over who WILL use that influence. Let's also assume this country loves its "hands off" approach to regulation. Let's say this country places a high value on aggressiveness in business matters.

[Superman]

Mul, I envy the simplicity of your "world."

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Superman

Mul, I envy the simplicity of your "world."

Let's say the nations floating on this sea of crude adhere to an ideology which calls for the death or conversion of all unlike themselves and uses the flow of the crude that we found and set up production of, as a method to wage war on said superpower and the rest of the planet as well, then what do you do? You might want to look into some water cooling for the brain of steel.

[Superman]

In your world, the information in that one sentence of yours is all the information you need. Right? See, I wish I lived in a world like that. I've always envied folks like you. I can recall discussing this with my mother as a teenager. She laughed and said she understood. Then she said my life would be more entertaining. Indeed it has. But if my brain worked like yours, it would have been far more blissful.

[Chuck Moreland]

While you may have a point about the US and the Shah, that ended 30 years ago. The terrorism continues unabated.

Can you offer more examples?

How do you explain the acts of terrorism directed at non-US targets, far and away the majority?

[Hugh R]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Although I think this sentence is ridiculous and would love to see the judge(s) strung up by their testicles for it, it isn't our place to be questioning it.

Why not? We stick our noses in everyone else's business. Seriously, we ,meaning the US and the ROW, bring pressure (selectively) to many countries internal practices. Look at Sudan. Of course, if they had oil it would be different.

[Superman]

The Shah's reign ended thirty years ago. Do you think our interference in their affairs ended at that time also. You insisted I answer your question point-blank and I did. You do the same. I posed a hypothetical question about a planetary superpower and the likelihood it might meddle in the affairs of underdeveloped countries floating on oil. There are ways to answer that question that would make you look quite foolish, so I think I know the answer. That raises the question of why you are seeming to be pretending that the United States does not interfere. I'm going to save you some embarrassment and not provide more examples.

What is the purpose of asking me to explain terrorism in other countries? Are you imagining that I thought terrorism only happens here? Or are you perhaps trying to argue that our interference in the Middle East has not been noticed by Al Queda? Not the cause of their special hatred for America?

[Flatbutt1]

I doubt that we will ever understand the reasoning behind a sentence like this. It appears that the victim is to blame for tempting the animal instincts of the rapists by being out away from her family. I think P-O-P makes the point that this, being a religiously based abomination, is something that if questioned will only serve to entrench the practice more. I think. But what do I know. If anyone even looks at my daughter cross ways I'm in their face.

[Superman]

Hugh, you should check with Chuck before you draw conclusions. He seems to deny that America meddles in other countries' affairs. Human nature, apparently, does not apply to American business moguls or politicians.

[Chuck Moreland]

You said they hate us because we meddle in ME affairs. I hear apologists repeat this frequently, but never support it with specific examples.

I grant you that our allying with Israel is interfering with plans to eliminate Israel. Let's hear some more examples.

And if the hate and terrorism is about US meddling, then why is so much hate and terror directed to non-US targets?

Maybe it's not about US meddling.

[Rick Lee]

I wonder if other countries blame their own leaders when we have our own travesties of justice here in the US. Did anyone abroad protest their leaders because the OJ verdict or because some child molester was let go on a technicality? Bush has about much to do with the Saudi "justice" system as their king has to do with ours.

[Rearden]

Can you give us examples of how the US relationship with Saudi Arabia has changed since 2000? Besides the most obvious -- the US moving nearly all of its military out of that country?

The Saudi king finds it appalling that US law allows people like Superman to openly criticize the US government on forums like these. Should the king demand that George Bush change the constitution and no longer allow this behavior?

[Hugh R]

Years ago, I worked for a company called Tetra Tech. Besides being an engineering firm, we had marine research vessels that we used to map the ocean floors around the world. We were under contract to the U.S. Navy. We had our research vessels off the coast of Chile before the fall of Allende, Iraq before the Shah was shown the exit, off of Haiti before Papa Doc fell, off of Panama before Noriega was ousted, off of Nicaragua before Ortega was thrown out. Are you starting to see a pattern here? We were the US equivalent of the proverbial Russian fishing trawler. Our research vessels were listening posts and advance men for the CIA. I also know personally that we were the bag man for the CIA in Oman, the UAE, and several other mid-east countries. We meddle in the affairs of over 100 countries.