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In the first pie chart,

1,651,000 is the number of Iraqis who have died since 1990. Total. Are they all US victims? I think not. Nice chart.

In the second graph, what is a "terrorist" death? and what does the Y number represent?
Sorry if it's in the link, I haven't looked yet.

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Are they all US victims? I think not.
Excess mortality in Iraq

The paper (link in article posted on page-1):
http://www.lshtm.ac.uk/cps/public/excess%20mortality%20in%20Iraq.pdf

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Excess mortality in Iraq : Ali, M.M.; Blacker, J.C. (2003)

Preprint of a forthcoming paper in Population Studies, made available here at the request of the authors.
............................also from the first page link.

http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/who-do-we-care-about/
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How many Iraqis have been killed? Nothing has been published by the US. No serious estimations have been given. And no serious efforts to obtain estimates have been attempted.
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Some questions arise, but to tell the truth I just don't care to answer them myself.

1. Is terrorism more deadly to civilian populations than traditional conventional war?

2. What does civil war look like, and what signals its end?

3. How do we get to the bottom of the terrorist pickle jar and eat the last one?

If we look at the numbers, we have killed a lot more of "them" than they have of "us", therefore I say we have won.

We won, so it's time to bring our guys and gals back, it's simple logic.
I think I understand now. Do you want to go back to the original American Army terrorist, William Tecumseh Sherman and talk about how he raped & pillaged his way across Georgia to end the war between the states? I think you might owe me some reparations! I'm working on a number right now for what I "feel" that the monetary impact of this horrific crime, committed on behalf of your ancestors, has been to me. Get your checkbook out!
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Dear fellow Americans,

As your newly sworn in president elect I declare victory in Iraq.

I know that this has been said and done before, but this time we really mean it.

We have killed and maimed over a million people in our quest for revenge, the blood letting must end, and it must end now. See the pie charts lent to me by Ross Perot and Ron Paul.

As a warning to the Muslim world this is not a surrender, we will with little provocation glass your arse. It's simple a matter of time and money, we did it to Japan once to save American lives, and we will do it again. And why not? Japan and us are friends now, in fact the nukes to do the job are on our sub in their harbor as we speak.

We have spent enough on you, you are on your own.

Oh and by the way we are going solar, wind, tidal, geothermal and everything else so you will not have our money to fight us back with.

Stay in the medieval mind set and we will send you back to the Stone Age, it's that freaking simple.

Good night and God freaking Bless America.
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You really don't want to F with the US. The US has a long memory and eventually we'll hurt you.

We have destroyed Cuba's economy via the embargo that we have remorselessly maintained against the Castro regime, for decades;

We wore down the Soviet Empire until it finally collapsed - a fifty-year endeavor;

Saddam Hussein pissed us off in 1991, and well over a decade later found himself on the gallows

The North Korean regime remains a basket case, partly for the same reasons as Cuba above. Taiwain remains free and secure only because we refuse to acknowledge China's claim to rule there.

For a more ancient example, the Ku Klux Klan was able to reform itself several decades after initially being smashed by US Grant in the 1870's - only to be smashed again several decades later, this time forever. Yes I know they still exist, but only as a despised and pathetic rump of the monstrous force they once were. And they typically get more protesters at their marches than members.

Our enemies perceive us as weak because we have retreated from places like Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia. It may well be that in these cases we retreated in error.

But look at those countries now! Lebanon may never be the same. And we will continue to make sure them suffer, either actively or passively.

Somalia is a hell hole of biblical proportions. Hope killing 17 US servicemen and dragging them through the street was worth it. Starvation and death for your entire population makes Black Hawk down seem like a hollow victory.

Bottom line, the US doesn't forget. And you're gonna pay one day.
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Hrm...I think Kach has lost it for good this time...but it's nice to know the kinds of websites he frequents lol.
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Here are the last charts loaded up for the latest surge (2007 data)............it's working, it's working.
http://scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html

Well, it's a good start.
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Hrm...I think Kach has lost it for good this time...but it's nice to know the kinds of websites he frequents lol.
Was thinking the same thing. He has been reading liberal blogs for a while now and convinced himself that they are fact, and not someone's opinion.

Hope that he wakes up someday...
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My question is what qualifies these kind of d@#$heads to be able to talk about kill ratio's?
Have you ever done any killing for your country?
I was Panama with the 82nd Airborne.
I was in Desert Storm with the 82nd Airborne.
I was in Somolia with the 3rd Ranger Battalion.
I was in Haiti with Spec Ops.
I was in Kosove with Spec Ops.
I was in Afghanistan with Spec Ops.
I have been in Iraq three othe times and am there as I type this.

But I have to agree where y'all say God bless America, because it is your right to have freedom of speech, but please do not talk about kill ratios unless you can quantify your right to speak about them, or you get lumped in the same category as every other liberal neophyte *******. I think the only killing you know about is killing six budweisers a night while mine comes from the business end of a 5.56mm. nuf said. I will get off my soapbox. Be a good American and vote that we outlaw pinheads.
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Jimmy,

Thank you for your service and thank you even more for your post above.

Unfortunately there are some on the forum that believe that because they were born in America that they know everything about what is going on around the world. Then they get turned loose on a keyboard that is hooked to the internet and its all over.

Stay safe and come home when you can.... or PCS to Germany and chase that grey haired grandmother on the autobahn!

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but please do not talk about kill ratios unless you can quantify your right to speak about them
Thanks for asking, it's called the First Amendment, it's in that thing you swore to protect called the Constitution.

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If I had my way the pie chart would be even more slanted, with zero American deaths.

God bless America.
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Code Pink is now resorting to witchcraft to beef up the number of its supporters protesting Berkeley's controversial Marine Corps Recruiting Center.

The women's anti-war group has told ralliers to come equipped with spells and pointy hats Friday for "Witches, clowns and sirens day," the last of the group's weeklong homage to Mother's Day.

"Women are coming to cast spells and do rituals and to impart wisdom to figure out how we're going to end war,"
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kach is in good company
..............paranoia big destroya

No guilt by association please, the only code pink I ever see is between my better half and I.
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Thanks for asking, it's called the First Amendment, it's in that thing you swore to protect called the Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


If I had my way the pie chart would be even more slanted, with zero American deaths.

God bless America.
And in your perfect little world, what would stop the murderous, megalomaniacal bastards from killing Americans? Code pink's witchcraft? Michael Moore's bad breath? One of these days you should extract your head from your rectum, get some fresh air & take a look around. There's a whole 'nother world out here.

Jimmy, another thanks for your service.
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No guilt by association please, the only code pink I ever see is between my better half and I.
Talk nice. Those are your compatriots.
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And in your perfect little world, what would stop the murderous, megalomaniacal bastards from killing Americans? .
Following the recommendations of the 9/11 commission wold be a nice start. The administration has scored close to zero on that.

Invading and occupying Muslim countries was not part of it if I recall correctly. In fact GWB pulled us out of the Saudi airbase from where we launched the first Gulf War.

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