Cavemen

[K. Roman]

Doesn't seem like you want any answer but your own stupid guess. Pls don't have children.

[snowman]

I have not proposed an answer. What guess in other words?

[Sonic dB]

[svandamme]

The average westerner has more incommon with the cavemen then folks who live in a mud hut

allow me to explain

Westerner, is a hunter gatherer, he goes out, hunts for money, then gathers crap he doesn't need...finds a vacant house(cave) and moves in, produces kid, doesn't raise it himself, because he's out of his cave, hunting and gathering... trying to find a bigger cave

mudhut builder, is somebody who has settled down, built his own place, and tries to produce his own food, fixes his own house, raises his own kids... who can't be bothered with bull**** like spending time on the internet dealing with redneck ignoramuses who think they are god's gift to mankind, simply because they have a computer to type on, and were born in the right part of the world in terms of possibilities to thrive, and self develop and yet managed to self develop themselves in said ignoramuses.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by snowman

Here goes another. Putting "words" into my mouth. Scary ? Only someone that thinks the worst of others and their intentions.


Z man has in fact implied that their fate is our fault. It is not. But he and others feel guilt for the way we live vs the way they do. Why guilt if its not our fault? Thats a question for the Psycs, but not related to the fact that we have nothing to do with it.

Talk about putting "words" in my mouth. Pot, meet kettle.

Again - I never said that it their fate was our fault. What I've said is that they did not have the same opportunities that we've had. There is a big difference between those two concepts.

Snowman -- what would you (or I) do in the following scenario:

We are born into a tribe that lives in an extremely remote area of Irian Jaya. So remote, that the tribe's only contact with the 'outside' world are small skimishes with the neighboring tribes, and the sight of a huge airplane in the sky from time to time. Maybe a missionary would come through from time to time. Early on, we learn how to hunt and gather food, and make a family of our own. We'd live in wood and straw huts along the river.

So - how would you deal with life then? Keep in mind, you would have very little knowledge of the outside world -- and if somone did happen across your tribe and show you some modern stuff like metal objects - how would you react?

-Z-man.

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by snowman

Here goes another. Putting "words" into my mouth. Scary ? Only someone that thinks the worst of others and their intentions.

Why are you so scared that I ask a simple question? Are you afraid of being a caveman yourself, ie just one step up?

One of my grandmothers was born in a log cabin. Yeh, a genuine log cabin. Wood stove and all. But at least she had a metal stove and an outhouse. She even learned to drive a car about 1915. So why wasn't she stuck in a mud hut with no metal implements? Why are there people, and its Not a great life, in fact I bet any one of them would trade places with you and your lousy lives in an instant if given the chance, still living this way? Many have the same resources we have. They definitely do not live that way by choice. What holds them there? They die at ages of 20 and 30 years. They have no way to treat the most simple medical problems. A simple infection can be fatal.

Z man has in fact implied that their fate is our fault. It is not. But he and others feel guilt for the way we live vs the way they do. Why guilt if its not our fault? Thats a question for the Psycs, but not related to the fact that we have nothing to do with it.

Its really a simple question, WHY are there still people living in the stone age, like cavemen? No crap like we would like to live like them, we are free to do exactly that, yet I see no takers. No psyco crap about how we live, just the question of WHY do they live that way? No crap about energy, its irrelevant. There is enough energy for all at this time, especially if we freed up all our resources that the zealots have locked up, for no reason whatsoever. They are in denial, denial that so many people can live the way we do without starving, like their kind predicted. Maybe thats it. They are just mad that their great prophets were wrong and we did not starve as predicted, we are in fact FAT and dying because of being OVER fed.

Your question has been answered 7 ways to Sunday. Either you do not understand the answers or you want to keep this game going your comments or a product of someone with poor form and breeding.

Don't fool yourself. You are really coming across as someone that is a 'step above a caveman'.

And here I always thought Whites were better than that....

[K. Roman]

And here I always thought Whites were better than that....

funny.

[Hawktel]

I'll play.

I'll address on two different levels though, and on a much more narrow focus.

1 Why can't Africa get it together and become something other than a mess? The place has a huge amount of natural advantages. Everything from tourism to natural resources. It really has all the advantages to be a peaceful prosperous place for people. How is it failing?

2 Does a substance farmer with 4 kids, scrapping by in some 3rd work, is he living the good life and thrilled, or is he in a most stressed position than me?

My thoughts. Africa is a mess due to tribalism, and population pressure. I think they don't have the ability to get away from the Crab in the bucket syndrom to make Africa work on a globally successful scale.

I think there is two ways to look at the substance farmer. There is a certain kind of freedom knowing you are screwed. At that point, all is lost, you might as well make the best of it.

on the other hand, I think its demeaning to said farmer to pretend he isn't terrified of the problems he could face with so little change, and he has no control over that. one bad drought, and he is watching his children die of hunger. A cold, or infection, those aren't just run of the mill things, but actual life threatening events.

You can of course say I'm not immune here in my life. My company loses my contract, I'm unemployed. Katrina showed we are not immune in this country from some really crappy things happening to us. But none of the people who died in Katrina died to starvation, and a few did die, but it was mostly due to sudden lose of medical care, and the related issues.

I feel I'm overall safer, and better protected from a majority of the issues that can cause me, and the people I know here so much problems, than that hypothetical substance farmer. And I think that makes me happier than he is.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Hawktel

My thoughts. Africa is a mess due to tribalism, and population pressure. I think they don't have the ability to get away from the Crab in the bucket syndrom to make Africa work on a globally successful scale.

Tribalisme for a part, but don't forget that the Colonials have done a good job at teaching them the concepts of "greed".
I'm Belgian, one thing they don't teach here in schools, is how the Belgian Colonials pretty much plucked Rwanda and Congo clean, forcing them to convert with boatloads of missionaries, and then make them work for the benefit of said colonials...

obvious answer then was "oh, but we brought them civilization" yeah right...

Then after then became independent, you had the east block and the west block funding the tribes, supplying them with guns and ammo, so the precious resources wouldn't fall in the hands of "the others", all this , at the expense of the local population...


Then there is the pope, now they are very religious over there, and the pope goes telling them, they should not use protection, because it's not Christian... more misery in the form of AIDS and what not...

These people did not get a chance to progress according to their natural rythme, they had Western Civilisation thrust upon them, and the examples they got were not the good ones, they had a speed course in greed, oppression and everything in between, they have been messed around for hundreds of years, and they are be the target of ignorant criticism by a Westerner?? believe me , they would make small work of such critics if they ever had the balls to go over there to tell them...
And i would not blame them one bit.


Look at Nigeria, the most corrupt place on the face of the planet, poor population
And Shell is pumping barrels every day..
When does Nigeria come into the news? right, when "rebels" have interrupted the oil flow...
Nobody asks what happens with the money from the oil being pumped up, but i assure you the money is not used to upgrade the country to a better level..
Nobody cares about that, as long as the fuel stays under 2 bucks a Gallon.
Nobody at Shell cares either, they'll make a deal with whoever is in charge, be that Kim Il Sung, Sadam, Kadaffi, or the gang of thugs who happened to have killed the previous thug...Oil companied don't care about anything other then Money in their own pocket.. pure and simple, If Rome had wells, and the Mob took over the Vatican, The oil companies wouldn't give it a second thought to make the deal with the mob and put up a drilling operation on the big st Peters Square...

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by LubeMaster77

...Don't fool yourself. You are really coming across as someone that is a 'step below a caveman'. ....

Fixed it for ya, Lube!
-Z

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Look at Nigeria, the most corrupt place on the face of the planet, poor population
And Shell is pumping barrels every day..
When does Nigeria come into the news? right, when "rebels" have interrupted the oil flow...
Nobody asks what happens with the money from the oil being pumped up, but i assure you the money is not used to upgrade the country to a better level..
Nobody cares about that, as long as the fuel stays under 2 bucks a Gallon.
Nobody at Shell cares either, they'll make a deal with whoever is in charge..

It is amazing how pumping billions and billions of $$$ into a place will make it worse - but it is true, examples all over the world.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Maybe a missionary would come through from time to time.

-Z-man.

MMMMMMM....BBQ Missionary.....Missionary taste good..TABS LIKE Missionary meat......Tooo bad they don't come by more often!

[snowman]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Fixed it for ya, Lube!
-Z

We are many steps above cavemen. There is no doubt about it, Thats not the point as any one with an intellect above a caveman can tell. The point is WHY? Why do I keep repeating he basic question? Because everyone has sidestepped it so far and NO ONE has addressed it.

[svandamme]

you can lead a mule to water, but you can't make him drink it if he doesn't want to

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by snowman

We are many steps above cavemen. There is no doubt about it, Thats not the point as any one with an intellect above a caveman can tell. The point is WHY? Why do I keep repeating he basic question? Because everyone has sidestepped it so far and NO ONE has addressed it.

The point is WHY? Why do you keep repeating the basic question that has already been answered !

Ok - perhaps you should enlighten us -- what is your answer to the question?

-Z

[snowman]

My post has not been answered. If you think it is, you may be much more racist than I thought.

[nostatic]

why do these people exist? Umm, well you see, they take in food and through the magic of intelligent design all this chemistry happens and they poop and live. Life I tell you....LIFE!!!!

Or are you talking existential?

[nostatic]

why do these people exist? Umm, well you see, they take in food and through the magic of intelligent design all this chemistry happens and they poop and live. Life I tell you....LIFE!!!!

Or are you talking existential?

[snowman]

Are they living examples of our past? Are they the result of communism? Are they the result of liberalism? Are they simply the result of people that just don't give a damn?

I do not beleive that they are the result of their own choices.

[nostatic]

wow - ur amazing. Is it something in the water down in the OC?