Anybody Here Into Guns?

[red-beard]

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Dura Coat can make your gun just about any color

Here is the "Bloomberg" collection

http://www.houtsenterprises.net/dur_bloomberg.html

[Ray B]

Leave the colored guns and the pearl handles to the competitors and pimps. I own/have owned many weapons (my duty weapon is a H&K USP LEM compact in .40). At the risk of starting the semi-auto/revolver debate I would offer that if you don't shoot often and will not keep youself and others who may use the weapon very proficient, I would stick with a revolver. It would absolutely suck to have clear a malfunction on a pistol that you havn't touched in two years and were only minimally experienced with. I prefer a .357 with Glaser-type (frangible) ammo. You can practice with .38 cal. in the same gun for economy. I have and would recomend a shotgun for a more open area. I have a Ithaca 37 M&P but any well made pump will do. A pistol is a poor subsitute for a rifle/shotgun but is often necessary for cencealment or portability.

[legion]

Originally Posted by cab83_750

I believe it is true that the reason why the U.S. military upgraded from .38 to .45 was when they were unable to stop Philippine Muslims from attacking using their machetes (sp?)....even after firing/unloading a clip.

How is the stopping power of 9mm relative to the .38?

I completely agree with the reasoning for the military going to the .45. However, what are the chances you are going to face wave upon wave of opium-high, machete-wielding muslims in your home?

Oh, and .38 and 9mm are very close in size.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by legion

However, what are the chances you are going to face wave upon wave of opium-high, machete-wielding muslims in your home? .

I guess you havent been to NYC lately ,huh?

[JayG]

Originally Posted by legion

I completely agree with the reasoning for the military going to the .45. However, what are the chances you are going to face wave upon wave of opium-high, machete-wielding muslims in your home?

Oh, and .38 and 9mm are very close in size.

.380 is a 9mm kurz (short) which I love.

Here is my SS PPK/S




^Does amazing with hollow points.

[alf]

Sig210

[Rick Lee]

Here's my main car/CCW SIG P239 in .40.

[pwd72s]

John Browning was a genius...and the Hi-Power in 9mm is still one fine handgun...

[cashflyer]

I own several pistols. My favorite is my CZ75.
Good weight and balance, comfortable in my hand, reliable, and accurate.

[Rick Lee]

CZ is definitely on my to-buy list. They are fast moving up the chain to compete with SIG and Glock. They used to be cheap, but folks are realizing how good they are and CZ is realizing what they can get for their guns now.

[Izze]

Originally Posted by red-beard

[IMG]http://billstclair.com/blog/images/pink*****-500x375.jpg[/IMG]

Dura Coat can make your gun just about any color

Here is the "Bloomberg" collection

http://www.houtsenterprises.net/dur_bloomberg.html

Thanks, but my gawd, that is just to pink for me!
I'll settle for this chicken yellow piece


I think the chick above need some lessons from you guys how to handle a rifle

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by cab83_750

I believe it is true that the reason why the U.S. military upgraded from .38 to .45 was when they were unable to stop Philippine Muslims from attacking using their machetes (sp?)....even after firing/unloading a clip.

How is the stopping power of 9mm relative to the .38?

It depends on the specific cartridge.

For instance Cor-bon 115gr 9mm+P is as powerful as 110gr .357 magnum.

Not all cartridges within a given caliber are created equally.

That being said, NOTHING substitutes for shot placement.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

I'll give my thoughts, which always seem to piss people off in these threads and have them call me names...

I like a well built .22. I find that I can place 5 shots within the space between someone eyeballs from 10 feet with a .22 faster than I could put 2 shots within the space of their head with a 9mm, and worse for a .40. I think that a fast action .22, with a well indexed grip and some practice is so much faster and more accurate than a bigger bore gun, that I would consider it to be the equal when it comes to stopping power. You can cleanly fire one handed if needed (how often can you get both hands and a stance going when woken up in the middle of the night??). Some iridium sights and practice, and you can put holes wherever you want in the dark moments after being awoken...and there is ZERO chance of it ricocheting and taking out your wife, or going through the wall and taking out your kid.

I have 2 issues with using .22 rimfire for defensive purposes.

1) Penetration is lackluster at best. A heavy leather jacket can literally stop a .22 round from penetrating to a lethal depth.

2) Rimfire ammunition is prone to failures to fire.

[m21sniper]

This is what i own:

S&W hybrid 6906/5903 9mm with trijicon night sites, mag-na-porting, extended ambi safeties, trigger job, bobbed hammer, Hogue grips, jeweled barrel, custom 3-tone finish, blah, blah, blah. Capacity is 15+1. I use Cor Bon 115gr 9mm+p JHP ammunition (I also have one magazine full of Cor-bon 147gr 9mm+P in a spare magazine pouch, for barrier type scenarios)




My work rig. (4 extra mags, 'tactical folder', pepper spray, 2 flashlights, and a lighter.)

[jtkkz]

HK .45 or an 8 shot S&W .357 or perhaps a tiny revolver this way you can conceal it

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[QUOTE=cab83_750;4036580]I believe it is true that the reason why the U.S. military upgraded from .38 to .45 was when they were unable to stop Philippine Muslims from attacking using their machetes (sp?)....even after firing/unloading a clip.

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Pure genius here. All .38 caliber ammunition is not created equally. In 1889 Colt came out with their first swing out DA revolver. It was chambered in 38 Long Colt and later 4l LC. This 38 caliber was less powerfull than the later S&W 38 Spl. This was the revolver and claiber that was provided to the US troops in the late 1890's and early 1900's. In 1900 Colt came out with their first Auto pistol which was chambered in 38 ACP, this was later superceded by the 38 Super in 1928. The US Navy was supplied with a few of the Model 1900 Autos. However the US Army was not issued an Automatic as a standard side arm until the Colt 1911 made its debut in 1912. Until then it was the 1889 DA, New Service in 45 LC (Big Frame DA) which during WW1 was chamebred in 45 ACP and known as the model 1917, the venerable Colt SAA in 45LC which had been in service since 1874. There were test trials held by the US Army that included Luger in 45 ACP, Colts mdls 1900 in 38 ACP, 1905, 1907, 1910, Savage Auto in 45 ACP. Today an orginal Test Trials Luger in 45 Accp would be worth well over $1M.

Also that 38 LC cartridge was basically discontinued by 1908 when the Colt Mdl 1889 DA was redesigned to provide a stronger action to handle the 38 SPL. It was in the early 1930's when S&W and Colt started producing large frame DA's that could handle HOT 38 caliber loads. In 1935 S&W introduced the famed 357 Mag. It was a special oreder gun that you could have anyway you liked for a price. It came with a certificate of Registration. Today those early 357 Mag guns are very expensive going from $2500 for a reblue to $17,000 for an unusal barrel length in nib condition. Average price is around $8000.

The first of the 44 Mags was introduced in 1955, which was an improvment on the S&W 44 SPL. In the movie Dirty Harry, Clint Eastwood was shooting DOWNLOADED 44 Mags. So you came tame the 44 Mag by downloading the caliber. The same is true of the 458 Win Mag rifle cartridge you can make that into a plinker by downloading the ammo.

Other than that I hate guns and think that they all should be banned as too many mental defective types like to think they are going to be shooting terroroist muslims looting and pillaging their hoods.

[scottmandue]

My two cents,

I have a 9mm with Federal hollow points for HD, I read up a lot on ammo before I bought. IMHO the 9 is the best balance between power and economy.

I just bought a Remington 870 HD shotgun, handling it inside the house it feel BIG and unwieldy. It will be perfect for standing on the front porch picking off zombies as they come up the front lawn. Another problem with a shotgun is the best home defense gun is one you can practice with a lot. If you live in the city it may be hard to find a place to practice with a shotgun, most cities have multiple indoor ranges where you can practice with your pistol.

My friend has a Colt .357 and .44 magnum, they are great fun to shoot and my next gun will probably be a .357 revolver. Firing the .44 with full magnum loads is like holding a stick of dynamite in your hand. Standing behind my friend at the range I swear it throws off at least a twenty four inch fireball. Good for $hits and giggles but maybe not the best for HD.

[dipso]

Really all one needs.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by alf

Sig210

Why don't u just show us your Ferrari to...

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This is a copy of a German Jagger rifle circa 1730. Short Barrel large caliber primarily design for hunting in European forests. Brought to America by the Germans who setteled in the Pennsylvania region, the barrel was lengthened and morphed into the Pennsylvania rifle aka Kentucky rifle. As time went on the calibers became smaller as powder and shot was more expensive and heavier to carry. Calibers ranged from about 65 down to 32 in the 1840's. These guns were either rifled or smoothbore. This has 2 barrels (58 cal) one rifled one smooth (20 GA)