Race and Education

[Rich76_911s]

So Rika you wouldn't put up a fight if the state decided to legislate that your kids had to go to the worst performing schools in the nation or state?

[onewhippedpuppy]

So what do you do when the teachers want to teach, but the students don't want to learn? What of personal responsibility?

[Rikao4]

I would fight to get rid of the teachers if they were bad..
but..
great teachers cannot do anything with lazies & preggers...
& in time they just stop caring..
not right..but can't blame them either..
I got bussed to one of those schools (DC)...
and I made it out...
but many choose to have another baby or arrest..

Rika

[Evans, Marv]

The thing is this. In the Army/Marines, etc. there is a saying, "You can't march any faster than your slowest soldier." In the classroom, you can't go by that philosophy. Obviously if you gear your instruction to your lowest achieving student(s), all the others suffer as a result. You really have to keep the pace and activities such as to keep as many in class interested, engaged, focused, and on task as possible. However, the system expects you to also devote extra effort and time to the low achievers. This is fine if you are provided time and resources for that. But all they usually say is that you have to devote say 1/2 hr. of special instruction to each low achiever or maybe you can do it as a group, which doesn't normally meet the needs of all of them. My wife has to do this at the elementary level. You can see what this does to the rest of the class at that time. They have to do a reading activity or some other similar activity. This isn't unique. This is what is demanded up the ladder. It lets the school system say they are doing something to meet the needs of the low achievers. Those unmotivated are part of that group. So what it ends up being is that you have to devote time away from the rest of the class to try to give special attention to some students who don't give a damn anyway.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

My son, who's now a sophomore, goes to UCSC - Univ of Caucasians and Some Chinese. I have heard UCI stood for Univ of Chinese and Indians

Hey,
My son is also a sophomore at UCSC. Since there's just some Chinese there, maybe they've noticed each other. Should we tell them we communicate via email? Nah.

Sherwood

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

This is going to end up in PARF.

I agree with you guys so far. Asian immigrant here, came to the US in 1974 along with my three brothers. I was 10, my big bro was 15, my younger brothers were 8 and 6. None of us spoke a lick of English. My mom moved here first to start a new life without my dad whom she divorced just as soon as the courts allowed her. She sent for us two years later after saving enough money from her job as a typist at the BofA world headquarters in SF.

Fast forward twenty five years years later, my Mom retires as a VP at Bank of America. My brothers and I have all graduated from college, a couple of us did not have a student loan to pay back because we worked all through school to pay for tuition and books. My big bro is an accountant, I am a sales exec, my younger brother is a Kaiser MD and my baby bro, well he did OK in real estate until it went bust. Anyway, we are living the American dream but it all started with a dream and a lot of hard work.

How dare you work hard and take personal responsibility for yourself and achieve success through hard work and dedication. That just screws it up for other minorities. You should have made excuses and demanded that everyone else you give you a free pass!

Seriously, good for you.
I have a strong respect for people who achieve success by earning it.

[Jim Richards]

AA should've died by the end of the 20th century. The workforce and colleges are diverse. If someone's not making it now on their own merit, they only have themselves (and maybe their parents) to blame.

[Head416]

Originally Posted by Rich76_911s

I'm quite certain that no one in my neighborhood would want their kids swap schools with anyone in the Philadelphia School district, which by the way, as of last year, had the highest drop out rate of any public school system in the country. Although I have no evidence of it, it is safe to assume they likely rank in the bottom of the nations school districts.

It's a complex problem and parenting is at the heart of it, but I do believe we are failing at educating our poor, regardless of skin color. We as a nation owe it to our children to get them a decent education, at least up to 12th grade. In the United States the outcomes may not be equal, but public schools need to give equal opportunity so all our children and our nation can succeed.

I think it comes down to family. You can't get a kid to listen in class if they don't listen at home. You can't get a kid to care about education if their parents tell them education is stupid.

Inner cities tend to have more blacks and hispanics, and thoes environments tend to foster these attitudes. It's socioeconomic, not racial.

[bt1211]

seems appropriate

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[Rikao4]

I wish them well..
they should be proud..

Rika

[Cdnone1]

My oldest son goes to a public high school in LA (because he has too) while my youngest son goes to a private school
My oldest boy is in the top 5% of his school. He is one of five whites in the whole high school.
My son has more excuses most of the kids there to give up and not do what he needs to do, but despite it being sometimes exhausting for him he keeps his grades up. We constantly check online report card, encourage him when he needs it and discipline him when he out of line. He works hard for his grades, yet I have been at plenty of parents meeting while other parents complain about how the school is failing them and their kids.
These "parents are failing their own children and attempting to make the kids believe it is everyone else's fault.
What type of future these kids are going to have when they get out in the real world.
We don't need to study the kids skin color in relation to their grades, we need to kick their parents in the a$$.
There was a Mother in the office the other day waiting while the cops came to get her kid ( for smoking dope and having sex with an under age girl in the gym locker room ) and she was screaming about how it was the schools fault and that her little Johnny has never don nothen like that.
Sad.
My son and I talk about his education every week and we talk about not using excuses for your actions, and he is a kid who could easily use his excuses
Steve

[creaturecat]

Good looking kid, Steve.

[Cdnone1]

Thanks
Oh when I say my son and talk about his education, I mean I talk.
He can't speak, and has to use that switch by his head to spell out words on his computer to communicate with people.
It can take him an hour to write a single paragraph yet he muscles out complete essays.

Steve

[Cdnone1]

In fairness to family here is my youngest son, off to Choir practice at 6:20 am.


Steve

[Head416]

Originally Posted by Cdnone1

We don't need to study the kids skin color in relation to their grades, we need to kick their parents in the a$$.
There was a Mother in the office the other day waiting while the cops came to get her kid ( for smoking dope and having sex with an under age girl in the gym locker room ) and she was screaming about how it was the schools fault and that her little Johnny has never don nothen like that.

A friend of mine teaches junior high and deals with this ridiculous mentality constantly. He tries to water down the material to their level, and they still fail. Then the parents blame him for making it too hard. Then the administration tells him more kids need to be getting passing grades.

He tries to teach, they don't listen, they don't care. He gives them a copy of the test as a 'study guide', gives them all the answers, then has them take the exact same test. Most fail. Some are so unmotivated they get scores in the teens on open book tests!

They're insubordinate, but niether the administration nor the parents back him up. We need to just kick these kids out of school and stop wasting money on them.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

AA should've died by the end of the 20th century. The workforce and colleges are diverse. If someone's not making it now on their own merit, they only have themselves (and maybe their parents) to blame.

As long as there are signs of discrimination, institutional or otherwise, there must be mechanisms to counter that effect. Notice I said nothing about race or sex. Whatever applies. But in some distant future, current majorities might be in the minority and may feel the pendulum of discrimination swing against them. And in that case, mechanisms like AA should be in place to help right that wrong.

Stats show that despite the high educational level of Asians, their representation in upper management and corporate board rooms isn't reflected by their population. Why is that? Answer: glass ceiling. It applies to women as well. Same with salaries. There are many who will press for the status quo to preserve their positions in the corporate structure or society.

Sherwood

[Head416]

Wow... you're engaged with your kids and they work hard and do well.

If only we could figure out the secret to your madness, maybe we could replicate these results. Alas, it remains a mystery. You're obviously using some radical methods everybody else just can't comprehend.

[sammyg2]

He must make you very proud. I wish you and him the best.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

As long as there are signs of discrimination, institutional or otherwise, there must be mechanisms to counter that effect. Notice I said nothing about race or sex. Whatever applies. But in some distant future, current majorities might be in the minority and may feel the pendulum of discrimination swing against them. And in that case, mechanisms like AA should be in place to help right that wrong.

Stats show that despite the high educational level of Asians, their representation in upper management and corporate board rooms isn't reflected by their population. Why is that? Answer: glass ceiling. It applies to women as well. Same with salaries. There are many who will press for the status quo to preserve their positions in the corporate structure or society.

Sherwood

More excuses.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

More excuses.

And your explanation? Asians and other minorities are lazy and uneducated?

S