Race and Education

[Rikao4]

disagree,

quite a few here had involved parents..
went to bad schools /district and made it..
they choose that way out...
the parents demanded effort..

uninvolved parents..
with the kid trying..at a good school..
IMO has a chance..

uninvoled parents and lazy going to a good school..
= he quits/makes no effort..
just like his parents..

Rika

[Noah930]

"Inner city" education is not entirely hopeless. Near-hopeless, perhaps, but not entirely unsalvagable. However, it takes exceptional educators to turn things around. There aren't many teachers like Phil Holmes.

Renowned teacher makes South L.A. his own final exam - Los Angeles Times

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rich76_911s

Under this assumption if you sent two identical twins to two different schools one bad and one great, the results would be closely matched.

I just don't think it is that simple. If it was simply all about parenting why do so many people, already in great schoold districts, spend thousands of dollars annually to send their kids to private (arguably better) schools? Under the engaged parents argument this is either a waste of money, or an attempt to make up for bad parenting.

In no way, shape, or form am I saying that a lack of parenting is not playing a significant role in this. I'm just saying that the best parents in the world sending thier kid to a bad school is at a significant disadvantage to a mediocer parent sending thier kid to a good school. Which is a problem we need to work on.

Who needs to work on it, and who needs to start others to start working on it. Should that burden be taken by the parents? Or is it too large of a problem for parents to simply demand more. What do they bring to the bargaining table. Either shape up or we ship out? Sometimes it isn't that easy.

Many of the parents I know who send their kids to expensive private schools are not "involved" in the education of their children. That high dollar school is a status symbol, just like a Rolex or a big house. For that matter sometimes even the kids appear to be some form of status symbol, as the parents certainly aren't particularly interested in them. Private school isn't always the sign of engaged parents.

My in-laws live in a very small central KS town, the school there is mediocre at best. But the parents are involved with their kids and refuse to let them quit or fail at school. So far every kid old enough for college has attended and graduated. It starts at home.

[Superman]

Yes, parental involvement is key. But there is another dimension operating here, that some folks cannot/will not understand. Culture. I was raised in a family and societal culture that taught me how well-to-do people dress, speak,.....and think. There are black men who are just as eager and just as intelligent as I, but they don't know how to get ahead because nobody modeled that behavior for them.

[Rikao4]

ebonics don't go over well during the interview..
showing up with your undies showing & cap sideways does not impress us..
oh and that mumbling when you call..
yeah I hung up..
if your sick..your sick..not illin..
and do learn this language..
I did.

Rika