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cairns 04-23-2010 12:33 PM

And no one has mentioned Jethro Tull? ...Stand Up, Thick as a Brick, Aqualung etc.

pwd72s 04-23-2010 12:34 PM

Sometimes, I find myself cruising thru my old vinyl just to enjoy the cover art...

CD's reduced that..now Itunes is eliminating it...sad.

daepp 04-23-2010 01:13 PM

So regarding iTunes, are deeper cuts and "concept" albums dead?

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEpperson (Post 5313004)
So regarding iTunes, are deeper cuts and "concept" albums dead?

One door closes, others open. Who knows what the next generation of creatives will bring?

nostatic 04-23-2010 01:33 PM

How exactly are you defining "concept album"?

iTunes didn't kill the "album." Music is cyclical, and styles will come and go. Remember that the first "concept albums" were call symphonies back in the 17th-18th century ;)

If you look at recorded music, the "single" came first, and has driven most of the industry.

imcarthur 04-23-2010 03:02 PM

Interesting to note . . .

That the majority of the concept albums named above were recorded when the artists (and the listeners/buyers) had a tendency to abuse illicit substances . . .

Might there be a link?

Ian

psychII 04-23-2010 03:07 PM

Operation: Mindcrime

imcarthur 04-23-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5313045)
If you look at recorded music, the "single" came first, and has driven most of the industry.

That's cause that's all that would fit on the cylinder. :D

Ian

ODDJOB UNO 04-23-2010 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 5312860)
Look further left, just to the left of Bernie Leadon


just caught that sorry. my bad

daepp 04-23-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5313045)
If you look at recorded music, the "single" came first, and has driven most of the industry.

While the single may have come first and has driven the industry, for ME, the "art" mostly came with the long laying format. I allowed for a larger canvas - or more canvases - so the artist could do something other than what appeals to the most (pop).

nostatic 04-23-2010 03:45 PM

No offense, but the market doesn't care much about you ;)

You asked if iTunes/etc has/will kill the album. I would argue that it doesn't make a difference. Most of the money has/will be made on single tracks. For those artists that want to stretch out, they now have the most latitude *ever* wrt making and distributing music. If I wanted to do a 12 hour concept "album" right now, I could easily record it (and collaborate in real-time with musicians around the world), then distribute it globally online, with whatever associated "album art" (photos, videos, multimedia, etc) that I want. I would argue that digital has in fact given artists ultimate flexibility for realizing their vision.

The only real question is who/where is the vision, and who wants to listen...

jyl 04-23-2010 03:50 PM

There's no technical reason why an album cannot be treated as a single 1 hour long track priced at $20. If the demand is there. If the demand isn't there, then the concept album may not deserve to be treated as such. Most were a couple of good songs with abunch of filler anyway.

LSA 04-23-2010 03:56 PM

Love a good concept album, some of the best.
http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content...rime_front.jpg

Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Killer album themes taken strongly from Orwells 1984 in sort of a big brother-esque dystopia where a man is used and framed for killing the only women he loves

http://zamislitsalbatec.files.wordpr...dol-426666.jpg

W.A.S.P. - Crimson Idol The story of Jonathon Steele just an amazing story, Blackie Lawless is an incredible story teller. Really emotional story that deals with loss and that old saying of be careful what you wish for. A son who feels invisible to a father who blames him for his brothers death. Runs away and tries to make it in the music industry. It's also a commentary on the corporate music industry as a whole.

http://www.metalkingdom.net/album/img/d47/146.jpg

Savatage - Streets The story of a drug dealer in NYC who becomes a rockstar and his fall from grace then return to the spotlight.

pwd72s 04-23-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5313308)
There's no technical reason why an album cannot be treated as a single 1 hour long track priced at $20. If the demand is there. If the demand isn't there, then the concept album may not deserve to be treated as such. Most were a couple of good songs with abunch of filler anyway.

Didn't Sgt. Pepper do that?

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 07:24 PM

The REAL issue is that most bands/recording artists can't/won't put out something that is as good as some of the albums mentioned here. There are maybe 2 or 3 songs on a current album that are worth your time. Take Led Zeppelin 4 (Zoso) for example. Name a bad song on that album. Go ahead, try.

The content today sucks by comparison.

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 07:29 PM

Oh... since I mentioned Led Zep, where does "Raising Sand" fall as far as a concept album?

Does mixing genres count?

bell 04-23-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 5312839)

one of my favorite books.......it it worth the search to give it a listen?








"NO!".....they might be giants.......they even won a grammy for it :D

67nin11 04-23-2010 07:49 PM

yeah.. i was gonna say 2112.. hemispheres.. the wall..

then i saw mindcrime, must have listened to that most of 88.. rage for order and warning kicked ass also..

legion 04-23-2010 07:51 PM

Come on guys!

Dark Side of the Moon?
Wish You Were Here?
Animals?
The Wall?

Probably four of the greatest concept albums ever.

And NIN and Tool pretty much exclusively do concept albums.

Crowbob 04-23-2010 08:33 PM

"The idea all along had been to record something unified and continuous, like a novel or film-a scapbook, rather, since the theme originally was the Beatles' own Liverpool childhood...'It (Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band) was Paul's number' George Martin says, 'Just an ordinary song, not particular brilliant as songs go. When we'd finishd it, Paul said, 'Why don't we make the whole album as though the Pepper Band really existed, as though Sargeant Pepper was doing the record. We can dub in effects and things.' From that moment on, it was as if Pepper had a life of its own.'..."It (the album cover) was further unique in opening out like a book, and in having the song lyrics printed in full on the back. Inside with the record was as sheet of cut-out novelties, figments of the Beatles. own comic-book childhood transformed to the last, or next, word in POP Art-a Sergeant Pepper picture card, a paper mustache, two badges and a set of NCO's stripes." 'SHOUT! The Beatles In Their Generation by Phillip Norman, p 288; p 291.

Incidentally, I do have an original Sgt. Pepper album set described above.


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