In the process of buying a plane

[futuresoptions]

Have fun with your new toy!

[mikeesik]

So nice.
Jealous and Envious.

Keep an eye on the front landing gear rod. Prone to metal fatigue .

[mikeesik]

I assume this is your 1st. plane.

What possessed you into purchasing a Beechy?

Curious?-From friends. Reading. Being a passenger. A.M.E's?

[slodave]

Originally Posted by pavulon

I'm uninformed as to what it is about the V-tail that makes for dead (overconfident/under-experienced) doctors. I remember reading something about oscillation being an issue but would think that would be an issue for anyone that is piloting such a plane and that such an issue would have been addressed.

Your (soon to be yours) plane looks great!! How long until you turbine convert?

Doctors had a habit of buying the V-tails, not paying attention to the limitations in the POH and made the tail fall off. There were not that many fatal accidents, but just enough for the name "Dr. killer" to stick.

The conversion to turbine will cost about $400,000. Not cheap.

D, make sure to check the rudder pedals after any inspections. They can fold back to get them out of the way and sometimes can be let that way on accident. Not fun when landing.

[slodave]

Originally Posted by mikeesik

I assume this is your 1st. plane.

What possessed you into purchasing a Beechy?

Curious?-From friends. Reading. Being a passenger. A.M.E's?

He wanted to be able to fly longer distances with family and baggage. Non of the small planes that was suggested to him could offer that.

[mikeesik]

Gotcha.

[gshase]

First you will need a dual yoke unless your instructor is a nut case. I sold a dual yoke last year for $1800 I would have loaned it to you. As a 7500 hour instructor that is a lot of plane for a 40 hour student. Before you solo it you will need a Complex sign off by your instructor (retracting gear/ high HP engine). With the 1960 Bonanza you are looking at more like 100 hours to get your private ticket. Remember that is a lot of airplane, Good luck and clear skies.

[slodave]

Also if you do go for the Dual yoke, consider flipping it so that the "V" is up. It'll save your knees. But make sure it doesn't block any vital instruments.

[MT930]

Great Plane ! I have always wanted a Beech, that will serve you well.

Annual is the way to go instead of a PPI. Don't be hesitant in have the A&P doing the inspection walk you trough the the logs and the plane itself.

[docrodg]

Wow a plane and a Porsche... add a boat and you can go bankrupt in no time at all!

[onewhippedpuppy]

I had a long conversation with a friend of mine about the "lotta airplane for a student" concept when I was considering getting my late Grandfather's V35 Bonanza. My friend is a former KC-135 pilot and USAF T-6 instructor pilot, who currently makes his living flying upside down at 500 ft as our company aerobatic demo pilot. His take was that the USAF put new pilots in the T-6, an 1100 shp turboprop retractable full aerobatic aircraft. If they can use a T-6 for training, a Bonanza should be a cinch. Of course the key is quality training and instruction.

[Joeaksa]

First off, you need to make sure that the A&P/IA mechanic who does the pre-purchase inspection has nothing at all to do with the current owner. Get someone who will look it over from tip to tail and not "a wink and a nod" and the annual is signed off.

Second join the ABS, American Bonanza Society, something that every Bonanza owner should do.

Nice looking airplane and a big step head, just make sure you have a checklist when you fly it and make sure you ALWAYS lower the gear!

If you need to, call either myself or Tim. Better to ask beforehand than after its too late and costs you $$.

Joe A

[dmcummins]

I plan on finishing my PPL in the 172, I don't have that much left to do. Then I'll transition to the Beech, if the deal goes through. As to the annual, I get to pick who does it, and the owner pays. And I hired a guy to fly the plane and check it out also, and to be there for at least a day while the annual is being performed and look over the logs, ect.

As to why a Beechcraft, mostly just from reading and talking to a few pilots. I was also interested in a Mooney, and looked at a couple.

I have to have a minimum of 25 hours dual to meet the insurance requirements. But I'll do as many as it takes. I figure I may as well start working in the IFR while I'm at it.

The guy that currently ownes the plane has 11 planes. Two North American T-28B, Two Beech UC 45J, a Beech D50A, Cessna 210, Beech 3TM, and a few more. I guess thats why the low time.

[dmcummins]

Originally Posted by docrodg

Wow a plane and a Porsche... add a boat and you can go bankrupt in no time at all!

I recently sold my Longhood, and I sold my boat a few years ago. And the Boxster really isn't worth much, but may also be on the block soon.

[cashflyer]

First off, you need to make sure that the A&P/IA mechanic who does the pre-purchase inspection has nothing at all to do with the current owner. Get someone who will look it over from tip to tail and not "a wink and a nod" and the annual is signed off.

+1

Originally Posted by FLYGEEZER

Nice Beech! And it ain't a "V" tailed doctor killer. Your gonna love it! Don't do the STC, It's not worth it. Stay with 100LL

The STC costs around $450.
Avgas at my local airport is currently $5.77
Autogas locally is $3.65
Difference of $2.12.
A bonanza burns about 15 gph, so you pay for the STC with just 15 hours of flight time. After that first 15 hours, you are saving over $30 per hour.

And my experience has been the same as Hancocks - the auto gas engines seem to have less scale depositing on the pistons and valves.

Originally Posted by pavulon

I remember reading something about oscillation being an issue but would think that would be an issue for anyone that is piloting such a plane and that such an issue would have been addressed.

There was an issue with control surface flutter, however an AD was issued that required a slight mod to correct that.

I think the reason these planes earned a nickname of Dr. Killer was that only persons with high paying professions could afford one. This meant that doctors whose egos were too big for a Cessna would buy a Bone - which was fast, complex, and more workload than an overpuffed student was ready for. The end result was gear-up landings and smoking holes. That's my opinion.

Also, my opinion is that aviation should be a progression. Like learning to walk before attempting to run with scissors, my belief is that a student pilot should become proficient in a forgiving airplane (like a cessna) before moving into a more demanding airplane (like a bonanza full of scissors).

[ODDJOB UNO]

we just had an "AD" on our prop. tore the entire thing apart, checked serial numbers and found out our serial number wasnt in the "BAD BATCH."


so yeah "AD'S" are MUY IMPORTANTE and for a damn good reason.


and trust me as the sun comes up in the east..................PACKING and SHIPPING A PROP is REALLY REALLY REALLY BIG BUCKS$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



ask me how i KNOW!

[dmcummins]

Just heard from the mechanic I hired and he said everything look good. Good compressions, no corrosion, leaks, plane as advertised. Now its headed for the annual.

I went ahead and hired a mechanic to look a little closer at the engine before its sent to the shop for the annual. Ive read so many horror stories about $30,000 overhauls that I want two sets of eyes and two different shops looking it over.

If everything goes as planed, the plane will be delivered to me next week.

Insurance is going to require that I have 25hrs dual before solo. Looks like I'll be getting some IR time in.

[Nate2046]

"Gas-Undercarriage-Mixture-Props","Gas-Undercarriage-Mixture-Props","Gas-Undercarriage-Mixture-Props","Gas-Undercarriage-Mixture-Props","Gas-Undercarriage-Mixture-Props"

I must have repeated that a million times flying around in the pattern when I was getting my complex sign off. I continued that habit when I was working as a CFI in the same airplanes. Be disciplined, fly safe, and have fun.

[304065]

Originally Posted by dmcummins

Just heard from the mechanic I hired and he said everything look good. Good compressions, no corrosion, leaks, plane as advertised. Now its headed for the annual.

I went ahead and hired a mechanic to look a little closer at the engine before its sent to the shop for the annual. Ive read so many horror stories about $30,000 overhauls that I want two sets of eyes and two different shops looking it over.

If everything goes as planed, the plane will be delivered to me next week.

Insurance is going to require that I have 25hrs dual before solo. Looks like I'll be getting some IR time in.

Nothing wrong with 25 hours make and model. That is always time well spent.

Mix air trim pump lights brakes three green ready to come aboard!

[cashflyer]

See if you can find a qualified CFI to teach you in YOUR plane. It's always better to learn in the plane you will be flying; learn it's idiosyncrasies, characteristics, etc.