Random Spoon Pics Thread

[sc_rufctr]

Wow... That brings back some memories.

The New Zealand army used SLR's with plastic furniture.
But we used wood and both rifles were built by the Lithgow firearms factory in Australia.

Lithgow Arms - Battle Proven Since 1912

[Bill Douglas]

Sure does bring back some memories. I worked for defence at the time.

Those Lithgow manufactured Steyrs were falling to bits left right and center.

[sc_rufctr]

I've heard that also but the current F90 is a good rifle.

[Por_sha911]

[varmint]

Just missed a chance to pick up a Rhodesian FAL.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by varmint

Just missed a chance to pick up a Rhodesian FAL.

What happened? Did the deal “FAL” through?

[varmint]

Yuk yuk.

Said I’d look at it next week. Now it’s gone.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Ummm... I'm guessing this pistol can use all of these rounds.

Impressive!

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by varmint

Yuk yuk.

Said I’d look at it next week. Now it’s gone.

The Sig 226 is new. I picked it up after a deal fell through on a West German 226, excellent condition for $1k. The guys screen name on Calguns had "911" in it. Asked if it referred to Porsches and he said "Yeah, I raced 911's and 914's but it got expensive so now I'm completely out of it". We had a good conversation and told him to consider the pistol "sold" and I'd contact him with a meeting time the next day to do the transfer.

Text him the next day to meet at 3:00 pm and he texts back "Yeah, if the deal falls through with the guy I'm meeting this morning I'll get back to you".

WTF?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Ummm... I'm guessing this pistol can use all of these rounds.

Impressive!

Hmmm... more like "dangerous!"

The .38 Special and .357 Magnum, of course, interchange in any revolver chambered for the latter. The .380 ACP is essentially a "9 mm short", and both share bullet and case dimensions that would allow them to be fired in the same revolver chamber, assuming the use of some manner of keeping them in place. Like moon or half moon clips. It does look like there is some sort of tab that grabs the extractor groove, so I'm guessing that is how they are held. .380 ACP and 9mm use a .355" diameter bullet, however, whereas the .38 Special and .357 Mag use .357" to .358" diameter. The use of the auto pistol rounds in a revolver that will accommodate the revolver rounds will result in lowered pressures and velocities, and mediocre accuracy. Manufacturers have, however, provided separate cylinders chambered in 9mm for their .357 Magnum revolvers.

What I see as "dangerous, however, is the use of the old .38 S&W. This old (and mostly obsolete) round uses a larger bullet and case diameter than the modern .38 Special / .357 Magnum. Any chamber large enough to accept the .38 S&W is too large to fire the two newer rounds, and will result in split cases and possible gas blowby back around the recoil shield, which will injure the shooter's hands and possibly eyes.

The fact that the 7.62 x 25mm Tokarev is shown along with these others, implying interchangeability, must either be a bad joke or the final indication these photos were put together by someone who has no idea what he is doing. It's a .30 caliber round, after all. It's kind of a necked down 9mm case, so the case diameter mimics that of the two other auto pistol rounds, but the bullets are only .312" diameter. They would simply rattle down any .38 caliber bore, generating very little velocity. Interestingly, while labeled as such in the rear view, I don't see one laid out with the other rounds in the other view. It's a very distinctive round:



I would like to hear the story behind these photos.

[Rick Lee]

My S&W Performance Center Lightweight Commander. Arrest me because I STOLE this for $400.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Ummm... I'm guessing this pistol can use all of these rounds. Impressive!

yup

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I would like to hear the story behind these photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa_Model_47

The Medusa Model 47 (or Medusa M47) is a revolver manufactured by Phillips & Rodgers Inc. of Huntsville, Texas,[2] in the late 1990s. Based on the Smith & Wesson K frame,[3] it is notable for being capable of chambering and firing approximately 25 different cartridges within the 9 mm caliber family, such as: .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .380 ACP, and 9×19mm Parabellum.[4] While smaller diameter cartridges can be fired, accuracy suffers. The revolver was not a commercial success and the company that produced them ceased operations after just a few hundred units were made.

I wonder if it would have been a success today. People would want a firearm that can shoot whatever is available.

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

People would want a firearm that can shoot whatever is available.

There is the Taurus Judge that can shoot .410 shotgun cartridges and .45 Long Colt bullets.

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

My S&W Performance Center Lightweight Commander. Arrest me because I STOLE this for $400.

I’ll give you $425😂

Nice score!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

yup


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa_Model_47


I wonder if it would have been a success today. People would want a firearm that can shoot whatever is available.

Thank you - that's quite interesting.

So, the .38 Special / .357 mag and the .380 ACP / 9mm are dimensionally close enough to be used in the same cylinder and fired down the same bore. Ruger, for example, makes a 9mm cylinder for their .357 mag Blackhawk. It works o.k., even though the auto pistol bullets are smaller in diameter.

Where this thing goes haywire is with the inclusion of the old .38 S&W. It is dimensionally different enough than the later .38 Special and .357 mag that it really is dangerous to fire the latter two in guns so chambered. Lots of shooters have been injured trying. So, if the chambers are indeed big enough to accept this round, it would be quite dangerous to use any of the others.

[Por_sha911]

Smith & Wesson K-Frame, the Medusa is a rather simplistic-looking but well-made revolver at first glance; however, there are some notable differences and other points of note that make the revolver much more different and rather interesting.

The revolver's cylinder is made of mil-spec 4330 vanadium steel, the same type of alloy used in the barrels of the M61 Vulcan used by F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets. The Medusa's frame is made of 8620 steel hardened to 28 Rockwell; this allows it to withstand the various pressures of the rounds it fires. The barrel itself is made of 4150 chromemoly steel and is available in lengths from 2.5 to 6 inches (6.4 to 15.2 centimeters) and is also fluted; however, the fluting appears to only be for aesthetic purposes since the effects of the barrel heating up appear to not be that significant in a gun of this size.[2]

The weapon's cylinder is what makes the weapon rather interesting; the cylinder has a special extractor with six small flexible fingers on the rod of the extractor star. These fingers allow the weapon to headspace both rimless and rimmed cartridges; these fingers hold the rounds in place so that the firing pin can actually hit the cartridge and fire it. It is said quite a bit of design work went into designing this. The revolver also has a double-tapered forcing cone which is supposed to work with the wide variety of cartridges the Medusa is supposed to chamber; this forcing cone forces the rounds into the same orientation every time so they can chamber.[1]

https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/M47_Medusa

It didn't work well

As mentioned above, the multiple caliber revolver was a sound concept, but rather flawed in practice; a notable flaw about the weapon is that the flexible fingers on the extractor star are noted to be rather brittle. If somehow those fingers break off, the weapon will not work as it should.

Another notable flaw is the weapon's execution of the multiple caliber system; as the weapon was designed to chamber all aforementioned calibers and more, the weapon wasn't exactly optimized for any one caliber. Due to this, the weapon has a tendency to misfire.

Yet another flaw was the weapon's questionable accuracy; due to this strange multiple caliber system, when the weapon was fired, there was about an inch of freebore before the bullet hit the rifling in the barrel. This usually results in bullets keyholing.[1]

That said, in an Anti-2A world where even a bad weapon is better than no weapon at all, it could be desirable if the SHTF.

[Jim Bremner]

I have searched for a Zastava M70 ZPAP for a month. Due to the poo head in office I think that I have one on the way but its with out furniture.

Looking forward to my first Commie gun

[fred cook]

So, the .38 Special / .357 mag and the .380 ACP / 9mm are dimensionally close enough to be used in the same cylinder and fired down the same bore. Ruger, for example, makes a 9mm cylinder for their .357 mag Blackhawk. It works o.k., even though the auto pistol bullets are smaller in diameter.

The 9mm is usually a .355" dia. bullet, the 38 special/357 mag is usually a .357" bullet. In the middle is the 380ACP that uses a .356 bullet. I have used the 9mm bullets in the 38 Special case with good results.

[Skillet83]

Purchased a Browning SA-22 LR last week. Did not appreciate the plastic 22's. It shoots so straight right out of the box using iron sights.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Skillet83

Purchased a Browning SA-22 LR last week. Did not appreciate the plastic 22's. It shoots so straight right out of the box using iron sights.

Yours is MADE IN JAPAN!!!!!