Random Spoon Pics Thread

[Racerbvd]

My Grandfather's old hand gun.


I wish I knew what happened to my Grandmother's GI issue 45 that her 2nd husband carried in the War.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by svandamme

fclass shooters do it al the time

no pistol grip, his thumb is high and he uses his other finger

it's on a bipod, has it shouldered.
there's not much steering required cause the target isn't moving.
obviously in this case he's using that bipod handle to do actual steering, but i've seen it done without those as well.

scope dope and wind reading at those distances.. (typically 1000 yds)

That's no more than benchrest from the prone position. That's no "bipod" by any stretch under the forearm, and he has a sandbag under the buttstock. So, agreed - under these conditions, it's best to touch the rifle as little as possible. Don't grip it in any way, and let it free recoil.

To me, however, this is a horribly contrived method of shooting. I prefer matches with real rifles that shooters have to hold themselves, not rest on 50 pounds of equipment that they've hauled to the firing line with them. I do see a place for this, don't get me wrong, it's just not my cup of tea. I prefer a sling and a shooting jacket (and I see the modern shooting jacket as somewhat contrived as well). And yes, we shoot like this out to 1,000 yards as well. All of the same challenges with regards to wind doping, mirage, sight corrections, etc. Just none of the crutches...

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

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Is that real? My Gwad that's the definition of "hysterically inappropriate"... lol

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by svandamme

The grip has zero relevance to the shot being taken
The only thing that matters, is that you shoulder it properly
and you find a way to repeat your hold on the bipod, which you can only do with load.

My main grip with his position would be that he cannot load up his bipod on a wooden table.
and risks that it greeps or jumps forward if he does.

You cannot do a posistive repeat hold if you simply rest the rifle on the bipod.. so your shot repeatability is less guaranteed.
Sand bag in front of the bipod and load up.. or use a table with some kind of ledge to it, or with planks sideways and bipod in between the joins somehow.


I used to shoot out 300 winmag 1000-1400 yds.
You don't need the grip. grip is really the least of the concerns for long range.
It cannot add anything useful to the big mix of variables.

come think of it, his thumb in that location, is how you would shoot if your rifle doesn't have a real pistol grip but a regular rifle stock. So that just maybe what he normally shoots at longer range.

The only point I was trying to make is that it looks awkward and IME that's never good for shooting but maybe he has a hand injury and he can't position his thumb normally.

We were taught to be consistent, support the rifle with "bone" and maintain a proper grip.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

The only point I was trying to make is that it looks awkward and IME that's never good for shooting but maybe he has a hand injury and he can't position his thumb normally.

We were taught to be consistent, support the rifle with "bone" and maintain a proper grip.

And you were taught properly. Mr. Noir is doing it wrong. The example Stijn provides, while valid for what it represents, does in fact represent a very specific shooting discipline. This "F Class" shooting is known in the shooting world as "belly benchrest" and, in fact, the same front supports that are allowed in benchrest are allowed in this sport. Full windage and elevation adjustment on the front rest. Rear sandbags are allowed under the buttstock. The rifles can weigh 10 kilos, or 22 pounds. Very little recoil, the rifle supported on a rest at both ends, all serve to change the rules regarding how one must hold, and control, that rifle. "Real" rifles, of manageable (portable weight), rifles that actually recoil, when supported by one's own hands, have completely different rules than these benchrest guns. And Mr. Noir is breaking them...

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

My Grandfather's old hand gun.


I wish I knew what happened to my Grandmother's GI issue 45 that her 2nd husband carried in the War.

Great minds think a like. These are pictures of my grandfathers spoon on the previous page.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

That's no more than benchrest from the prone position. That's no "bipod" by any stretch under the forearm, and he has a sandbag under the buttstock. So, agreed - under these conditions, it's best to touch the rifle as little as possible. Don't grip it in any way, and let it free recoil.

To me, however, this is a horribly contrived method of shooting. I prefer matches with real rifles that shooters have to hold themselves, not rest on 50 pounds of equipment that they've hauled to the firing line with them. I do see a place for this, don't get me wrong, it's just not my cup of tea. I prefer a sling and a shooting jacket (and I see the modern shooting jacket as somewhat contrived as well). And yes, we shoot like this out to 1,000 yards as well. All of the same challenges with regards to wind doping, mirage, sight corrections, etc. Just none of the crutches...

Well yeah ,I shot sling prone as well too.. it's the only real way of shooting
But the grip does little when shooting bipod if your rifle is properly shouldered.
if your position is steady.. and your rifle doesn't move in the shoulder and on the bipod.. then really you can just not grip it.. And a lot of people don't. grip at that point adds nothing to the shot if you have a match/set trigger.

obviously if your trigger is heavy, touching it will would the rifle and you need the grip to prevent that. But hair trigger... good stable position.. no need for it.




Norway max range 1800 meters
Didn't have the gun for that distance, got out to 1000 emters with 308 and 175 VLD's. But it was sketchy.. Wind is a beast in the fjords, no visible indication, all kinds of weird turbulence.
Borrowed a Sako TRG 300 winmag, range dude gave me wind calls
and managed to get out to the gong at 1375 meters

Nailed it with first shot, got up and called it a day, cause there is no way I could improve on a one shot one hit at that distance



It's a good backstop them fjords.

[svandamme]

my fat ass shootin 1000 yds at Bisley's Stickledown range with a rental TR gun

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Well yeah ,I shot sling prone as well too.. it's the only real way of shooting

Yup... For the old black powder cartridge rifles, though, we shot sitting or prone with cross sticks. Same way the old buffalo hunters did it. It's surprisingly stable, and very portable. More "historically correct" than slings.

Originally Posted by svandamme

But the grip does little when shooting bipod if your rifle is properly shouldered.
if your position is steady.. and your rifle doesn't move in the shoulder and on the bipod.. then really you can just not grip it.. And a lot of people don't. grip at that point adds nothing to the shot if you have a match/set trigger.

obviously if your trigger is heavy, touching it will would the rifle and you need the grip to prevent that. But hair trigger... good stable position.. no need for it.

Yup, spot on. This is all true for shooting the heavy rifles from the "belly benchrest" position. But that's not where this discussion started - Mr. Noir is standing up, with some sort of military style autoloader. For what he is doing, with the rifle he is holding - he's doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by svandamme

Norway max range 1800 meters
Didn't have the gun for that distance, got out to 1000 emters with 308 and 175 VLD's. But it was sketchy.. Wind is a beast in the fjords, no visible indication, all kinds of weird turbulence.
Borrowed a Sako TRG 300 winmag, range dude gave me wind calls
and managed to get out to the gong at 1375 meters

Nailed it with first shot, got up and called it a day, cause there is no way I could improve on a one shot one hit at that distance



It's a good backstop them fjords.

Man, that looks like fun. And yeah, what a challenge, shooting over terrain like that. Multiple different wind directions between firing line and target. And not just left/right and headwind/tailwind, but up and down as well. What fun.

Originally Posted by svandamme

my fat ass shootin 1000 yds at Bisley's Stickledown range with a rental TR gun

Now we're talkin'!!!

[Rick Lee]

My last SIG purchase of 2021. Got it Friday, total impulse buy.

[sc_rufctr]

I like those grips Rick!

[Por_sha911]

That Sig is almost too pretty to shoot.

Random:

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yup... For the old black powder cartridge rifles, though, we shot sitting or prone with cross sticks. Same way the old buffalo hunters did it. It's surprisingly stable, and very portable. More "historically correct" than slings.
Man, that looks like fun. And yeah, what a challenge, shooting over terrain like that. Multiple different wind directions between firing line and target. And not just left/right and headwind/tailwind, but up and down as well. What fun.



Now we're talkin'!!!

Blackpowder, I have nothing, Shot em few times, it's well, "different".

Norway was the best shooting I've ever done, it was amazaballs.

first mail to embassy, what do we need to do to bring guns
mail back" here's mail for police in Sokndal ask them"
Mail to police
they reply "don't worry, just come, shoot ,have fun"
The smiley face was from the police .. You don't get those from Belgian cops when mentioning firearms, forget that !

We get on the Ferry, I declare weapons "we have firearms on board"
girl at the counter what?
We have firearms in the car, and i make a shooting gesture
She goes guns, NO problem we were like
UK ferries are not like that.


Then customs
I tell him, we are bringing firearms for a shooting in Sokndal
The guy sighs.. pfff, paperwork
goes fill in form bring back form
we fill it in as best we can
i have a question bout something (it's all in norwegian)
he yanks the papers out of my hand
doesn't say a work,stamps em all,gives me the duplicate,and says, "bring back form when leave country"
jumps on his bike and f's off.
we like

drive to the lodging place..
meet range officer, he goes, what did you bring?
we go ,m1A, swedish sturmgewehr, AR, m70, sako bit of pistols,
he goes, get em out!!
we throw it all on a picknick table
all the other treckers and visitors look,shrug,keep sipping their coffee from the porch of ther cabanna
note, this was AFTER the Shooting on that island !!
Norwegians are so relaxed bout guns, it was amazing
Do this in belgium as a foreigner or belgian at a camp site and you'de be in trouble


We were having fun and hadn't even shot yet. Beautiful country
But very difficult shooting to get the wind , elevation, angle up or down, it was hard work.
I showed up with a brand new M70 in 308 and 10x40 Leupold, But got there real fast.

the Norwegians brought a 50cal. with a big as muffler.. that was something else..no muzzlebrake

That place was shooters heaven.. the freedom to do and not worry bout the backstop
Even got the 45 out to 300 meters and hit the gong (that was no one shot one hit, no sir, was more like artillery shooting, a 45 howitzer by Dan Wesson)

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yup, spot on. This is all true for shooting the heavy rifles from the "belly benchrest" position. But that's not where this discussion started - Mr. Noir is standing up, with some sort of military style autoloader. For what he is doing, with the rifle he is holding - he's doing it wrong.

I only replied to the screenshot of him shooting off a table, now i watched the vid
walking standing like that, Oh yeah, he's weird.

[matthewb0051]

Random pic since thus far there are only dude photos:

[Racerbvd]

[tabs]

Originally Posted by svandamme

my fat ass shootin 1000 yds at Bisley's Stickledown range with a rental TR gun

Looks like a Swede tgt rifle ...Husqvarna/Gustafs...hard t tell but Mauser action,,don't think it is the 1900 action? hvy SS B...my guess 6.5 or 308.

I just pu a Husqvara ffv 1900 tgt rifle SS B 308. 7 were custom made by Husky as prototypes for the American Shooting cognoscenti back in 1970 in an effort to break into the American long range tgt shooting mkt. This one belonged to Neal Knox spoon writer and VP NRA.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by tabs

Looks like a Swede tgt rifle ...Husqvarna/Gustafs...hard t tell but Mauser action,,don't think it is the 1900 action? hvy SS B...my guess 6.5 or 308.

I just pu a Husqvara ffv 1900 tgt rifle SS B 308. 7 were custom made by Husky as prototypes for the American Shooting cognoscenti back in 1970 in an effort to break into the American long range tgt shooting mkt. This one belonged to Neal Knox spoon writer and VP NRA.

na, it's a British TR gun forgot the name
tailored for 1000 yds match shooting. eg 150/155 grain 308 with a 1/12 twist.
single shot

You probably think of a Carl Gustaf CG63 variant. I always had wanted one of those in 6.5 Swede.. And in the end somebody who "retired"gifted one me..
it was rebarrreld with a krieger barrel,308 again for 1000 yds shooting , with Parker Hale sights. It was a mongrel hybrid everything.. And unfortunately it never really worked well for me. Sights to high for cheek weld , i dunno , i couldn't hit much with it.

looks similar to this one, but with much higher PH sights from an Enfield


The original CG63 was a 300 meter rifle, because that's what Swedish TR was based on, 300 meter.

[svandamme]

another fun rifle for Bisley was the Parker Hale 1200 TX in 308 (everything is 308 in Bisley).



They are Mauser action, typically used by cadets.

And they are the daddy of the Parker Hale M85 Sniper Rifle, which i had a crush on.. Buddy of mine had one.. use M14 mags, rare as hens teeth in private ownership




Buddy of mine has one, Brit Army

[Jeff Higgins]

My favorite 1,000 yard match rifle is my 1874 Sharps in .45-2.6" (.45-100) from C. Sharps Arms in Big Timber, Montana. The sights are from MVA, a spirit level front with interchangeable inserts and their "Soule" style rear, featuring 40 MOA of windage on a micrometer barrel and elevation on a vernier scale.





The Hadley style eyecup provides rapid aperture selection for varying light conditions:



Top rifle is the match rifle, featuring their #1 heavy octagon in a 34" length. The rifle weighs about 14 pounds (limit is 15). Shown with another 1874, this one from Shilo Sharps, also in Big Timber (right across the street, as a matter of fact). This one has a standard weight 28" half octagon with a Hartford collar at the breach end. Chambered in .45-2.4" (.45-90), it comes in at less than 10 pounds. Wonderful hunting rifle, it balances perfectly between the rear sight and the front of the action.

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