Bully beatdown or sucker punch or both?

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Again, if someone if behaving like this, no one has any obligation to engage him in a fair fight.

yes.

[nostatic]

Fair fight is an oxymoron unless it is in the ring. On the street there isn't any reason to fight unless you're in danger. If my family is in danger, then there isn't anything "fair" about it. We're either out of there or you take care of the situation quick and appropriately.

Yes it was a sucker punch but pretty much justified. Acting like a drunk big man and throwing punches (that land - at 0:26) you kind of get what you deserve.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Fair fight is an oxymoron unless it is in the ring. On the street there isn't any reason to fight unless you're in danger. If my family is in danger, then there isn't anything "fair" about it. We're either out of there or you take care of the situation quick and appropriately.

Yes it was a sucker punch but pretty much justified. Acting like a drunk big man and throwing punches (that land - at 0:26) you kind of get what you deserve.

Yep, only in the ring is there supposed to be a fair fight.

[biosurfer1]

I just watched it again and there were no "slaps" thrown by the drunk guy. He closed fist punched the guy up against the tree directly in his face, a guy who was trying to stop him from pursuing his (I'm guessing) friend. He got sucker punched for doing that and the drunk got dropped, as he should have.

I will point out that guy who dropped the drunk was in the video the whole time and did not act until the drunk punched the other guy first. Now he could have just been buying his time but from my perspective, he could have thrown that punch many times before that moment but chose to wait until the drunk acted first.

[Geronimo '74]

The guy in the grey shirt was jonesing to punch the bully from the get go. He was waiting for the right moment.
The bully is a grade A douche nozzle who got what he deserved.
In fact, he deserves to have every tooth sucker punched out of his mouth

Street justice, served when you're not looking, ain't that a beech...

Warms my heart to see this prick go down.

[Baz]

Street Justice.

I like it.

[gacook]

Yes, those harping about a fair fight...I'd have to say have never been in a "true" fight. In a dangerous situation where you are forced to defend yourself, there's no such thing as "clean" fighting or fighting "fair"--you fight to win. Incapacitate your adversary by any means possible. If that means taking out their knee caps or even kicking them in the balls, followed by a knee to the nose while they're bending over, so be it. Your sole objective should be to walk away from the situation with as little personal injury as possible. I specifically teach my daughters to fight "dirty." In general, men are stronger than women and can overpower them in most situations. A clean kick to the groin is a great equalizer.

[Les Paul]

Thirty five years ago my brother was a student at UT. A friend of his on the track team who was a decathlete was driving down 6th street on a Friday night alone in his car when you could still do that. Some guys slapped his car when they thought he was cutting them off and he threatened to kick their asses. So one of the bad guys pulls a knife and slices his face 3 times before he could even get out of the car. Didn't end well for him.

Fast forward about five years ago, one of my sons buddies made the mistake of getting separated from his friends who were looking for him after a night of bar hopping. A pretty rowdy tough guy himself came up against some other tough guys who beat his ass and robbed him before he knew what was happening. He ran when he realized he was outmanned, black eye, split lip, and pride hurt. Not a happy camper.

Several years later another of my sons college roommates a 6'2" 200lb ex army ranger separated from his friends and admittedly drunk as hell gets jumped and ends up in a coma in intensive care the next day not recalling how he even got there. He was robbed too and came out out of the situation with a new perspective about 6th street.

Several months later my son and his friends decide to start looking for what they thought were organized gangs that preyed on guys that were obviously drunk and separated from their buds. They went down three or 4 months in a row in the spring and summer that year on Friday and Saturday nights but never saw anything sketchy.

I think the bearded dumb ass deserved what he got. It looked like a pretty lucky shot to me and maybe he won't try to act like some bad boy on 6th again. The only guys that haven't had their ass handed to them that think they are superman just haven't come up against Mr Kryptonite yet.

[BK911]

If those 2 were really threatened they could have just walked away, which they didnt.
The puncher was not even involved except as a spectator, he was not in danger.

Sorry, just calling a pu55y a pu55y.

I am actually surprised at most of you condoning severe violence which may cause permanent damage, just because somebody was acting like an a55. Guess I have higher morals and a larger man card.

I think somebody MAY cause somebody harm, so I will hit him with a bat and knock him out? Seriously? Some of you are pretty fcked in the head.

[fintstone]

Yes, those harping about a fair fight...I'd have to say have never been in a "true" fight. In a dangerous situation where you are forced to defend yourself, there's no such thing as "clean" fighting or fighting "fair"--you fight to win. Incapacitate your adversary by any means possible. If that means taking out their knee caps or even kicking them in the balls, followed by a knee to the nose while they're bending over, so be it. Your sole objective should be to walk away from the situation with as little personal injury as possible. I specifically teach my daughters to fight "dirty." In general, men are stronger than women and can overpower them in most situations. A clean kick to the groin is a great equalizer.

But there was no fight and the guy that attacked the other was not defending himself from anyone...surely you can't justify incapacitating someone or kicking them in the groin for being drunk and an asshat.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by BK911

If those 2 were really threatened they could have just walked away, which they didnt.
The puncher was not even involved except as a spectator, he was not in danger.

In other words, in your world, it's all about you. If you are in a position to stop others from being hurt, so what - they are all on their own. Yup, you're a "real man".

Originally Posted by BK911

Sorry, just calling a pu55y a pu55y.

He took decisive action to stop a man who was wildly swinging away at anyone in front of him. He was smart enough to wait until his actions would likely be the most effective at stopping the attacks. Far from being a "pussy". A "pussy" takes no action unless it involves him, then he hopes a guy like this steps in before he has to do anything.

Originally Posted by BK911

I am actually surprised at most of you condoning severe violence which may cause permanent damage, just because somebody was acting like an a55. Guess I have higher morals and a larger man card.

Unfortunately, your attitude does seem to pass for "manliness" in some circles these days. For shame.

Acting like an ass and punching people are two different things, worlds apart in how they should be dealt with. Real men have no trouble discerning between the two and acting appropriately.

Originally Posted by BK911

I think somebody MAY cause somebody harm, so I will hit him with a bat and knock him out? Seriously? Some of you are pretty fcked in the head.

No, more like "I see someone actively trying to do harm to others". He was swinging at people, and had already connected on a couple. Huge difference between that and your watered down "may".

Probably one of the best ways to lead others to believe that you might hurt someone is to started swinging on them randomly, as this man did. Conversely, one of the best ways to avoid making this impression is to not start swinging on people. Notice no one else in the video got clocked like that. As such, I would say the young man demonstrated very good judgement and situational awareness, choosing just the right guy to punch.

The fact that we are burdened with indecisive, hand-wringing ninnies like you has long been one of the symptoms of the decay of our society.

[hand wringing whining] He may have wound up hurting someone, but how will we ever know? Oh my, there was no reason to hit him, he could have been hurt... oh my...[/hand wringing whining].

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

In other words, in your world, it's all about you. If you are in a position to stop others from being hurt, so what - they are all on their own. Yup, you're a "real man".



He took decisive action to stop a man who was wildly swinging away at anyone in front of him. He was smart enough to wait until his actions would likely be the most effective at stopping the attacks. Far from being a "pussy". A "pussy" takes no action unless it involves him, then he hopes a guy like this steps in before he has to do anything.



Unfortunately, your attitude does seem to pass for "manliness" in some circles these days. For shame.

Acting like an ass and punching people are two different things, worlds apart in how they should be dealt with. Real men have no trouble discerning between the two and acting appropriately.



No, more like "I see someone actively trying to do harm to others". He was swinging at people, and had already connected on a couple. Huge difference between that and your watered down "may".

Probably one of the best ways to lead others to believe that you might hurt someone is to started swinging on them randomly, as this man did. Conversely, one of the best ways to avoid making this impression is to not start swinging on people. Notice no one else in the video got clocked like that. As such, I would say the young man demonstrated very good judgement and situational awareness, choosing just the right guy to punch.

The fact that we are burdened with indecisive, hand-wringing ninnies like you has long been one of the symptoms of the decay of our society.

[hand wringing whining] He may have wound up hurting someone, but how will we ever know? Oh my, there was no reason to hit him, he could have been hurt... oh my...[/hand wringing whining].

nailed it.

the only real man on scene took care of the situation. the debate over his method can go on, but the results speak for themselves. he prolly didn't even spill his drink.

[andyt11]

The guy was always going to get what he had coming to him eventually. It's a minor detail as to who delivers it. The important thing, is that the news was delivered.

[BK911]

Honey you were so brave hitting that guy when he wasnt looking. I am so proud of you.

Pathetic.

[VaSteve]

This weird situation would be totally different if it was like one of the scenes Les Paul describes. With hundreds of.people around with cell.phones out its not exactly a "dangerous" situation.

The puncher changed the dynamic by punching that guy by the tree. Sadly, I dont see this going well for either of these guys. Even the guy that got punched, tried for a kick in the nuts. Guy was down. Hmm. Remember that shop keeper that emptied his magazine (i did type clip and fixed it) at the c-store? Didnt he get charged? Adreniline and alcohal dont mix well.

[URY914]

"Fair fight"? What a joke.

Mob mentality rules and there are no rules.

[t-tom]

I think the a$$ hat should have learned a valuable lesson, you go looking for trouble sooner or later you going to find it.

[icemann427]

[Rick Lee]

I'd be curious if anyone in the Austin area sees some media coverage of this and if the "sucker puncher" got into any kind of legal trouble and what they charged the bully with.

[andyt11]

Originally Posted by BK911

Honey you were so brave hitting that guy when he wasnt looking. I am so proud of you.

Pathetic.

It's not about appearing to be brave. It's about taking care of a problem with as little fuss as possible. Mission accomplished I'd say.

The guy got what he deserved. No need to tap him on the shoulder first and announce that its about to happen.