FL Retired cop, shoots texting wanker

[krichard]

Originally Posted by Baz

I heard it was texting....then yelling at, throwing stuff at, and basically confronting the shooter. You're saying he was talking also? Not good....

Maybe he should have just apologized.

I mean he could have just said "My bad" - just like you just did.

And once more for the record...I am not justifying nor condoning the shooting.

I'm not saying he was or was not talking. I'm saying that when I go the movies, before the actual movie starts it's ok to talk, txt or whatever. Even after the movie starts, if someone is annoying you let the management deal with the problem. Especially if you're packing....

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by t-tom

Did he just tried to stab you and just missed or did he punch you? Do you defend yourself? Run and hide? You have a split second to decide in the dark. Are you being attacked? How far is this guy going to go? Does he have a gun? A knife? I was not there I do not know what happened. But I understand how it could get the point of someone getting shot.

Anyone who's truly competent to carry a gun wouldn't even clear leather in a dark movie theatre because something might have brushed his face. If you can't see your target or what's behind it, you don't even think about shooting, let alone with such weak justification (or complete lack thereof). I can see his defense lawyer saying exactly what you wrote, but I don't see a jury buying it. Whatever happens to Reeves, he's facing ruinous legal costs and then a phat lawsuit from the texter's wife. If he doesn't die in prison, he'll die in section 8 housing.

[t-tom]

So it's dark you don't defend yourself? Again I was not there and neither was anyone on here. All we have to go by are what's being reported by the media and we all know they only report the truth. All I'm saying is I can see how it got to that point. It should never have gotten that far.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Reportedly his wife was shot/hit because she was trying to restrain him and had her arm around him. If he were not attacking the older man or at least threatening him...why would she need to do so?

That there is a very important detail.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Anyone who's truly competent to carry a gun wouldn't even clear leather in a dark movie theatre because something might have brushed his face. If you can't see your target or what's behind it, you don't even think about shooting, let alone with such weak justification (or complete lack thereof). I can see his defense lawyer saying exactly what you wrote, but I don't see a jury buying it. Whatever happens to Reeves, he's facing ruinous legal costs and then a phat lawsuit from the texter's wife. If he doesn't die in prison, he'll die in section 8 housing.

^^^ this.

And having been to plenty of movies, I'd have to say that yelling at a guy to stop texting is more disruptive than the texting itself. And don't forget, the movie had not started yet!

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by techweenie

^^^ this.

And having been to plenty of movies, I'd have to say that yelling at a guy to stop texting is more disruptive than the texting itself. And don't forget, the movie had not started yet!

He asked the guy to put his phone away. I'm pretty sure the yelling didn't start right away.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

He asked the guy to put his phone away. I'm pretty sure the yelling didn't start right away.

It has to be asked. Why did the older guy ask him to put his phone away during the "shorts"?

If the movie had started then he would be justified in asking him to put his phone away but during the "shorts"????

[t-tom]

I'm guessing there is more to this story.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

It has to be asked. Why did the older guy ask him to put his phone away during the "shorts"?

If the movie had started then he would be justified in asking him to put his phone away but during the "shorts"????

My thoughts in post #28:

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

To your greater point, the "old man" was smart enough to know that texting during the previews probably meant that it would continue during the movie.

And he was also smart enough to know that he would miss part of the movie if he had to get up and go look for a manager after the movie started... well, hopefully you've thought about that by now.

Of course, it could always be true that "the texter" wouldn't have continued after the movie began, but it could go either way.

And after the movie begins, why should someone have to miss part of the movie to go find a manager? That's another win for the texter... he would probably be chuckling to himself for making the guy miss part of the movie.

Very soon, there will probably be signs on the doors to the rooms housing the individual screens saying:
TURN YOUR CELLPHONE OFF NOW --
BEFORE YOU GO IN --
IF A PATRON HAS TO COME GET A MANAGER
BECAUSE YOUR PHONE IS NOT OFF,
YOU WILL BE ESCORTED OUT OF THE THEATER
AND NO REFUND OR PASS WILL BE ISSUED.

Clear enough?

No, I do not condone the shooting with the info we have now. I'm merely stating that people need to be aware that cellphones and theaters don't mix.

Get up and walk to the hallway if you have to make a call.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

My thoughts in post #28:


Of course, it could always be true that "the texter" wouldn't have continued after the movie began, but it could go either way.

And after the movie begins, why should someone have to miss part of the movie to go find a manager? That's another win for the texter... he would probably be chuckling to himself for making the guy miss part of the movie.

Very soon, there will probably be signs on the doors to the rooms housing the individual screens saying:
TURN YOUR CELLPHONE OFF NOW --
BEFORE YOU GO IN --
IF A PATRON HAS TO COME GET A MANAGER
BECAUSE YOUR PHONE IS NOT OFF,
YOU WILL BE ESCORTED OUT OF THE THEATER
AND NO REFUND OR PASS WILL BE ISSUED.

Clear enough?

No, I do not condone the shooting with the info we have now. I'm merely stating that people need to be aware that cellphones and theaters don't mix.

Get up and walk to the hallway if you have to make a call.

They already have those signs down here.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

My thoughts in post #28:


Of course, it could always be true that "the texter" wouldn't have continued after the movie began, but it could go either way.

And after the movie begins, why should someone have to miss part of the movie to go find a manager? That's another win for the texter... he would probably be chuckling to himself for making the guy miss part of the movie... snip

I get your point but the older guy should have cut him some slack...

To me this whole incident screams "control issues". The retired cop clearly has those issues IMO.

I've seen it before in many people and not just retired, serving cops. It's like YOU WILL DO IT MY WAY...
That attitude just gets my back up. It's like "I can step on you and there's nothing you can do about it".

I personally will not put up with it. I just walk away without saying a word.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I get your point but the older guy should have cut him some slack...

To me this whole incident screams "control issues". The retired cop clearly has those issues IMO.

I've seen it before in many people and not just retired, serving cops. It's like YOU WILL DO IT MY WAY...
That attitude just gets my back up. It's like "I can step on you and there's nothing you can do about it".

I personally will not put up with it. I just walk away without saying a word.

So you completely missed the part where "texting guy's" control issues dictated that he not allow anyone to tell him what to do?

Yeah, that'll work.

Both parties contributed to what happened. Texting guy began it all.

One more sign for the door to the theater:

NEVER BRING A
BOX OF POPCORN
TO A GUNFIGHT.

[krichard]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

So you completely missed the part where "texting guy's" control issues dictated that he not allow anyone to tell him what to do?

Yeah, that'll work.

Both parties contributed to what happened. Texting guy began it all.

One more sign for the door to the theater:

NEVER BRING A
BOX OF POPCORN
TO A GUNFIGHT.

So if the guy texting had continued to text through the previews and continued though the movie and the old guy never said anything the texting guy would still be dead?

[aigel]

Originally Posted by johnsjmc

No I agree we don,t know everything I said I am suspicious when someone "retires" at 51 .

That's not an uncommon "retirement" age for cops and firefighters in CA. See post #14. It may be different in FL:

Mandatory Retirement


G

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by krichard

So if the guy texting had continued to text through the previews and continued though the movie and the old guy never said anything the texting guy would still be dead?

I don't know how you could possibly get that from what I said, but by all means please try to explain how you did.

[krichard]

Sorry if I misinterpreted. I thought you were implying that the texter should have just obeyed the old guy and stopped what he was doing without question.

Quote de krichard

So if the guy texting had continued to text through the previews and continued though the movie and the old guy never said anything the texting guy would still be dead?

I don't know how you could possibly get that from what I said, but by all means please try to explain how you did.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by krichard

So if the guy texting had continued to text through the previews and continued though the movie and the old guy never said anything the texting guy would still be dead?

More like if he had stopped texting........he would still be alive.

[krichard]

Great society we live in... Just kill people that get on our nerves...

Quote de krichard

So if the guy texting had continued to text through the previews and continued though the movie and the old guy never said anything the texting guy would still be dead?

More like if he had stopped texting........he would still be alive.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by krichard

Great society we live in... Just kill people that get on our nerves...

Remember....only humans do it. Not animals.

Been going on since the stone age.

Mankind.......

[speeder]

Most Murder2 cases start as trivial disputes, or at least a lot of them seem to. Usually they involve thuggish or violent types, someone gets "disrespected" and next thing you know, someone is bleeding to death on the ground.

Alcohol is also a common factor. It seems like a lot of M2 cases occur in the parking lot of a bar, scuffle/fight and then someone takes it to the next level with a gun or a knife.

This doesn't seem much different to me. Being a *glass-half-full* kind of guy, the only upside to this tragedy is that maybe some people will be thinking twice about texting or answering a phone in a movie theater.