777 down

[VaSteve]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

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Investigators claim the turn was programmed into the computer "at least 12 minutes before" the pilot spoke the last words. That tells me two things. One, the only way investigators could make that claim is if the turn program was reported to the ground via the ACARS report at 1:07 (that's exactly 12 minutes before the last words.). Two, the turn program could have been made at any time from take-off to 1:07, and for any number of reasons, some of which are not necessarily suspect, but not reported until 1:07, and not executed until 1:21.

The last words, "All right, good night," showed no indication of trouble. Two minutes later, the programmed turn was executed. This is the key to the mystery--what happened in those last two minutes?

Pure speculation. From 1:07 to 1:21 is fourteen minutes. That gives the pilots a window in which they could have been dealing with a "situation" they didn't consider serious enough to report, a situation that they were going through their checklist to isolate, a situation that suddenly got out of hand during the final two minutes and either required them to disable the comm. systems or the incident disabled the system. Turn is executed, the rest is unknown.

Good point, but how many times has that timeline been changed. I have like 0 experience in aviation, aviation safety, crisis management, public relations, etc. However, the Maylasian Goverment seems to have less than I do.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by VaSteve

Good point, but how many times has that timeline been changed. I have like 0 experience in aviation, aviation safety, crisis management, public relations, etc. However, the Maylasian Goverment seems to have less than I do.

^^agree^^
An accurate timeline is essential to any investigation unfortunately, a credible one has not been confirmed as yet in this case.

[Noah930]

Malaysians have no freakin' clue what happened. There seems to be more knowledge on this board than their entire country combined.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Malaysians have no freakin' clue what happened. There seems to be more knowledge on this board than their entire country combined.

This is an area of the world that not seen foreign aggression (yes, I'm familiar with the Vietnam war, you know what I mean) in many moons. Not a lot of need for civil air defense.

[jyl]

Oh, wait a minute.

I thought the angle of the last ping received by satellite from the plane had been analyzed - not by the Malaysians, by the way - and it put the plane somewhere on an arc, whose southerly part was off the west coast of Australia , whose northerly part was somewhere around eastern India, and whose middle was near the west coast of Malaysia?

If the plane flew for several hours before sending that last ping , then it had to have turned either north or south after it had turned west and crossed Malaysia from east to west?

Or has that satellite ping information been rebutted or retracted? I'm having a hard time keeping up here .

[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by URY914

As far as this plane landing somewhere and stored for future use, answer me this:

- Don't you need a ground crew of a half dozen guys to get this thing ready to go again?

No, why would you?

- Don't you need special refueling equipment of some sort? You can't refill it with gerry cans.

Sure you can.

- One rouge pilot couldn't do all this by himself could he?

absolutley

I'm saying it at the bottom of the ocean.

Nah, its lying in waiting...

[Head416]

If the unplanned turn was programmed into the computer before the last verbal communication, those "two minutes" were not when the most critical decision was made - the decision to divert the plane. They wouldn't have calmly said "goodnight" over the radio without mentioning that they decided 12 minutes ago that they were going somewhere other than their scheduled destination. Not unless they were hijacking the plane or being forced by hijackers.

[sc_rufctr]

OH YAWN ALREADY... It will never be seen again.

RIP to the passengers and crew.

[sc_rufctr]

[fingpilot]

Jyl.

You're not behind. the INMARSAT pings have not been repudiated. A VERY small item has not been realized yet. The Boeing Aircraft Health System 'pinger' is not on an essential bus. Meaning any catastrophic electrical system shutdown would have taken it out. Not having purchased this system, a Malaysian Airways System pilot would not be trained on it, or even be aware of it's operation.

Conclusions? The aircraft electrical system was operating normally. That now-famous red arc describes the last 'pinged' position after six HOURLY pings; the A/C is ON that red arc at last ping, 0830AM Sunday morning. See why the fire/damaged scenario is low probability? The 'ghost ship' scenario is shot down by the maneuvers the airplane did while being tracked now by TWO military radars, Thai and Malay.

Shutting the ACARS down? Turn the VHF #3 off. It is used by the ACARS box to xmit data back thru ground data stations. Shutting the SAT-COM system down takes out the seat-back phones in Business and First class and the ACARS access to SAT-COM. HF radios, the same, turn them off. Transponders? Turn them off. Never having done this myself, I'd bet the TCAS system MIGHT still be working in receive mode only (giving the cockpit very high resolution traffic info around themselves, for 'shadowing' if need be.) All of this do-able from the cockpit. Pressurization system to manual, open the valve, even at FL350, with or without the cabin O2 mask/generators on, everyone will be asleep shortly. The FL450 might have been 'insurance', it worked. No 'Lets' Roll' calls.

The bad guys watching CNN have filled in their blank lines in the bad guy books.

Everything that happened to that aircraft was commanded by someone in the cockpit, even the need to go to the EE compartment is not required.

My bet? On the bottom of the Southern Indian Ocean.

Israel thinks otherwise, but anyone that has ever flown OUT of Israel knows how fanatical they are in their screening.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by Head416

If the unplanned turn was programmed into the computer before the last verbal communication, those "two minutes" were not when the most critical decision was made - the decision to divert the plane. They wouldn't have calmly said "goodnight" over the radio without mentioning that they decided 12 minutes ago that they were going somewhere other than their scheduled destination. Not unless they were hijacking the plane or being forced by hijackers.

I didn't say it was when the decision was made. I only said it was the key to the mystery. There is a difference. If we knew what was said and done by the crew in those two minutes, the mystery would be solved.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

This is an area of the world that not seen foreign aggression (yes, I'm familiar with the Vietnam war, you know what I mean) in many moons. Not a lot of need for civil air defense.

That's just one factor. I don't have confidence that the Malaysians even know what questions to ask to figure out the rest of the equation. Are they leading the investigation, or just getting their cues from the New York Post?

OK, so let's say you have no military radar. How else can you figure out what happened to the plane? Civilian radar/air traffic control? That of neighboring countries? When the flight went missing, what notices were put out around the region that you've got a jumbo jet with 200+ people MIA? What did those foreign eyes in the sky see? Seems like transponder or none, it's still a bit hard to hide something the size of a 777 up in the sky when you have some idea of where to look within an hour or two of the plane going missing. How does the plane fly for 4-7 more hours after going dark and no one figures that out until days later?

When do you put in that call to Boeing that you've lost a plane they've built and you need the specs to help you find it? Does no one at Malaysian Airlines know how these planes are built and their systems work? Has the minister of whatever tried asking one of the fellow 777 pilots for some help in figuring this out?

When do you pay a visit to the homes of the pilots to check them out? A week later? Or was it a day later? Whose got the right story? Minister dude or the chief of police?

What's the point of having a passport for international travel when no one seems to check to see if the passport's valid or not? The best the head security dude can say is that one of the stolen passport travelers looked like a Brazilian footballer because of his dark skin? That's the level of sophistication we're talking about? Fk, you might as well have me be the sketch artist. I can draw stick figures real good.

When do you call in foreign/neighboring nations to help you look for the plane? Again, a week later? How often does the search pattern expand by several orders of magnitude on a daily basis, instead of the other way 'round?

These Malaysian yahoos have bungled the search and investigation to a ridiculous degree, and that's putting it nicely. They couldn't find their way out of the proverbial paper bag.

[stuartj]

I like the way the Thais have just, today, handed over their radar data. Their reason for not doing so earlier? "No one asked us for it".

Amazing Thailand.

[red-beard]

Flight simulator shows the pilot practiced landing in the Maldives

[stuttgart46]

ABC is reporting there was deleted files from the home based simulator. That could mean anything. I would think that if they were going do this then he would've destroyed the simulator all together.
This is one of the most intriguing stories to me in years.

[red-beard]

MH370 pilot's home flight simulator shows aircraft landing in US Military base | The Real Singapore

The report states that the simulator was used to simulate landings in Sri Lanka, India, Maldives and Diego Garcia

[Sunroof]

................no big deal on the flight simulator. For those who have a set up in their home can fly anywhere on dozens of aircraft (Windows Flight Simulator). The pilot is obviously messin about in his general geographic region. This would make it hard to correlate anything regarding the missing airplane. This does not say much about plots, plans or purpose.

Hey, I am trying to perfect landing a 747 on an aircraft carrier!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn barrier nets!

[widebody911]

I installed Microsoft Flight Simulator one time; does that mean I'm a on a list now?

[Steve Carlton]

Your simulated landings in Bangkok has the attention of the FBI.

[Rikao4]

so they have made the first turn ..
he say's Goodnight..
? why didn't the handler's ask..
what's up..
where are you going...


Rika