777 down

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Cockerpunk, I'm afraid your enthusiasm is getting ahead of your aviation knowledge. Even simple systems like cockpit lighting are certified by the FAA and have multiple redundancies, including built in map lights and flashlights. The odds of a failure(s) taking out the crew and passengers before they could transmit a single communication yet allowing the airplane to fly on autopilot until fuel is extinguished is beyond improbable. Considering the documented instability of the pilot, at this point I think pilot suicide is a far more likely option.

again, any technical failure ... is going to be of a system that has multiple redundancies.

thats just the nature of aircraft accidents. they are so safe, so when something does fail, and fail enough to bring a plane down ... its going to be because redundancies failed. and, guess what, in looking back at the history of aviation accidents, thats exactly what happens.

pilot suicide is certainly an option, one i have explicitly suggested as well. however, massive conspiracy to seal an plane, is not.

[Nate2046]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

the 777 can complete entire flights, take off, navigation, and landing, without human interaction.

i'll forgive you your aviation ignorance.

Actually, no, it can't. There is a great deal it can do through the automation but it certainly can't 'complete the entire flight.'

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

again, any technical failure ... is going to be of a system that has multiple redundancies.

thats just the nature of aircraft accidents. they are so safe, so when something does fail, and fail enough to bring a plane down ... its going to be because redundancies failed. and, guess what, in looking back at the history of aviation accidents, thats exactly what happens.

pilot suicide is certainly an option, one i have explicitly suggested as well. however, massive conspiracy to seal an plane, is not.

Far and away the greatest cause of airplane crashes is pilot error, both in general aviation and commercial aviation. Very rarely does a catastrophic failure bring down an airplane.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Far and away the greatest cause of airplane crashes is pilot error, both in general aviation and commercial aviation. Very rarely does a catastrophic failure bring down an airplane.

All to true: Accident statistics

Can we get this thread back to the 777Down not CPDown?

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Far and away the greatest cause of airplane crashes is pilot error, both in general aviation and commercial aviation. Very rarely does a catastrophic failure bring down an airplane.

and i specifically list pilot error as a very probable cause as well. esp pilot error when confronted with it being 2am, and equipment malfunction/failure.

we arn't in disagreement here.

my only point has really been that there isn't some massive conspiracy here. there are perfectly reasonable accident/error/failures/suicide causes at work here that are far more probable.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

Occam's razor, all else being equal, the simplest solution is the most likely: Somebody stole the f'ing plane.

There, I fixed it for ya. We don't yet have a clear motive but from the very limited info we do have, this is exactly what it looks like.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by cajundaddy

there, i fixed it for ya. We don't yet have a clear motive but from the very limited info we do have, this is exactly what it looks like.

lol

[widgeon13]

At this point I'd say we don't have shlt!

[Sunroof]

The President when interviewed today about Russia and the Ukraine, said, that he fears more then anything else, "A nuke going off in New York City".

There it is conspiracy fans................

The Malaysian Airliner has been taken to a remote location, yet to be detected and to be changed (repainted) and set up to carry a nuclear device.

Many believe that this is the real story. The NSA and CIA are monitoring this thread, why? Because Porsche owners are comprised collectively of educated individuals and professionals that just might have the right answers or damn good theories.

Just sayin

Paranoid? Who me?

[widgeon13]

So convenient of him to bring that up. I would see it going into Los Angeles before NYC.

[Lusso1]

I'd rather see them nuke LA than NYC.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by Lusso1

I'd rather see them nuke LA than NYC.

Not so effective here in LA. Way too spread out!

[scottbombedout]

Why would the pilot who is obviously pro democracy be involved in a plot to kill nearly 250 people? His own suicide maybe. But no way to kill that many people.

[gordner]

Originally Posted by Nate2046

Actually, no, it can't. There is a great deal it can do through the automation but it certainly can't 'complete the entire flight.'

Are you a boeing engineer? I worked on an MD-80 5 years ago, an aircraft that was ancient when I worked on it, and it was fully capable of auto land and auto take off. Going from the proper category of airport to another fully rated destination the aircraft was fully capable of carrying out the entire flight wheels down to wheels down with no human input.
The systems and capablities are out there to build a fully autonomous airliner, just as fully autonomous drones currently are flying up and down your Northern and Southern borders every single day....The computers don't care if it is a 10 000 lb drone or a 500 000 lb airliner.

[varmint]

Why would the pilot who is obviously pro democracy be involved in a plot to kill nearly 250 people? His own suicide maybe. But no way to kill that many people.

He was a supporter of an Islamist party. They tend to have different understandings of words like "democracy" than we do.

[gordner]

Lots of suicides result in the death of others, hardly unheard of. And anybody fanatical about anything can use it as justification for the greater good. It could be his very beliefs in human rights and democracy that led him to believe suicide with 200 + guests along for the ride was worth the cost in human lives balanced against what he would achieve.
If it was suicide in the first place, who the hell knows.

[onewhippedpuppy]

The NSA and CIA are monitoring this thread, why? Because Porsche owners are comprised collectively of educated individuals and professionals that just might have the right answers or damn good theories.



Just sayin



Paranoid? Who me?

Are you new here?

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by varmint

He was a supporter of an Islamist party. They tend to have different understandings of words like "democracy" than we do.

Malaysia is an Islamic country. It is a constitutional monarchy very closed based on the Westminster parliamentary system.

[Hawkeye's-911T]

If it was a suicide - seems someone sure went to a lot of trouble to hide evidence of the fact. Having said that & like most others, I really wonder just what the hell actually happened.

Cheers
JB

[varmint]

So what? Think of Egypt. The Muslim brotherhood used words like freedom, democracy and human rights. It is naive in the extreme to project our values on others.

My baseless speculation is just as good a everyone else's baseless speculation. I think the captain planned a political statement/hijacking. Something went wrong and he lost control of the plane. And no one else was in a state to regain control.