Anyone using the Knee Defender?

[jyl]

Originally Posted by livi

The refugees thats been walking around a mountain in Iraq with no food and water for weeks are reportedly grateful they don´t suffer from this problem.

Well I would hope so, they don't know how horrible it is to get on a plane nowadays, and half the time, the inflight WiFi is slow!!!

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by island911

This is from the Onion? I mean, c'mon...

The vid claims that the device does not interfere with the safety of the plane. Ridiculous. That device very clearly locks the tray-table in the down position.
(j/k)

good observation. It's also hazardous to the user.

[Shifter]

Besides, it is behind me, what do I care that goes on back there?

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by polo classic

How to Practice Airplane Etiquette: 7 Steps (with Pictures)

Most likely written by a homer-sapien.

[Tervuren]

I have NEVER been bothered by anyone in front of me reclining their seat, and I'm 6'2". Granted, I stow my personal pack/jacket behind my feet once airborne, and this lets me put my legs in the intended area for my legs.

Economy class is just that, dirt cheap A-B, and you get what you pay for - its like steerage of the old days of the airliners. Cheaper than grayhound buss fare, or taking a train.

There is such a mess of people flying these days, I've taken to driving instead. Between constant threat of harassment by "security" or random self centered people, I'll take 35 hours to drive from Charlotte to LA rather then put up with the "conditioning".

I noted over a few years that airports started making people act like animals rather than humans, and have decided to cut as much of that as possible from my life.

[gassy]

If I went to recline my seat and it didn't, I would assume the seat was broken or jammed or something. If I then found out that the dude behind me had knee defenders, I would sit in my seat backwards on my knees and just stare at him, chin on my headrest. Maybe make a low droning noise, mouth slightly open. That would be fun and I'd bet he'd remove them.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by gassy

If I went to recline my seat and it didn't, I would assume the seat was broken or jammed or something. If I then found out that the dude behind me had knee defenders, I would sit in my seat backwards on my knees and just stare at him, chin on my headrest. Maybe make a low droning noise, mouth slightly open. That would be fun and I'd bet he'd remove them.

+1, I've just assumed broken.

I have had someone with a broken seat in front of me keep trying to slam it back over and over, and blame me for blocking it to their spouse, then continue the seat slams for some time. I should of said something, but kept me mouth shut.

[Porsche-poor]

Just took an international flight for vacation. My gripes are as follows:
One do not use my seat to climb in and out of your seat in the middle of the night as the two ladies behind me did all the way to London. Two it is a long flight to and from Europe take a $$@$ing shower before going to the airport.

[imcarthur]

I fly a lot. Air Canada typically blocks the first 4-5 rows for frequent flyers. And guess what? No one reclines. That is for you amateurs who feel entitled. I exclude all international flights - that is different.

And about the TOUCH screen video. It is A TOUCH screen. When my seat in front bounces because you can't handle a TOUCH screen, you have just identified yourself as a simpleton. Ditto for pounding on your keyboard on the tray table. Hey jerk, it is attached to my seat . . .

Ian

[Rinty]

Originally Posted by Paul_Heery

I saw a report on the news this morning about a flight being diverted because two passengers got into a fight over its use.

That was too funny.

[BlueTone]

I had a pilot tell me, as we were boarding, that the airlines are discriminating against tall passengers. I concur. I'm 6'8" and plan my route / time based on seat availability. There are some seats that I just don't fit in, my knees hit the seatback in front of me, my back against my seatback. I could fly the route without my butt touching the cushion.
Regarding the device, I personally wouldn't use it. I do wish the airlines acknowledged height as a factor in seat assignment. I usually have to pay more even tho I'm lifetime Gold with close to 2M miles.

[jyl]

I don't recline. It is inconsiderate.

Shouldn't have to think about that but such is deregulated air travel.

[gprsh924]

Frequent flyers don't recline (as a rule of thumb).

The amount of comfort gained by reclining your seat is so minuscule compared to the amount of leg and general real estate that you eat up for the person behind you. I fly a lot and am not always able upgrade to the additional legroom seat. I don't recline (other than international or redeye flights when everyone is sleeping).

If it's a short flight (less than 3 hours) and you must recline your seat, please do so gently, or perhaps by giving the person behind you a heads up. Rather than jamming your entire body weight backward directly into my knees. Or right into my iPad and drink that are on the tray table right after the flight attendant did drink service.

And please don't ask to climb over me on a short flight to use the bathroom. Go before you board and once you deplane. It's not that hard.

[atcjorg]

Originally Posted by Gogar

EXIT ROW!

By law, is required to have more leg room.

By law, the row in front of it will not recline.

And, since it's the exit row, most fat slobs refuse to sit there.



wait.... never mind. Please disregard everything I just said.

stop sharing my secrets damn your eyes!!!!!!

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by gprsh924

Frequent flyers don't recline (as a rule of thumb).

The amount of comfort gained by reclining your seat is so minuscule compared to the amount of leg and general real estate that you eat up for the person behind you. I fly a lot and am not always able upgrade to the additional legroom seat. I don't recline (other than international or redeye flights when everyone is sleeping).

If it's a short flight (less than 3 hours) and you must recline your seat, please do so gently, or perhaps by giving the person behind you a heads up. Rather than jamming your entire body weight backward directly into my knees. Or right into my iPad and drink that are on the tray table right after the flight attendant did drink service.

And please don't ask to climb over me on a short flight to use the bathroom. Go before you board and once you deplane. It's not that hard.

As you recline the seat, it changes the curvature of the seat relative to your spine. I have this same issue with the 944, I'd like an upright seating position, but the curvature of the seat puts the seat sticking out at all the points my back sticks out, and sticking in at all the points my back sticks in. Mega uncomfortable for more than thirty minutes. Reclining, shifts the points of contact of the seat, bring things somewhat into alignment, but not quite.

Its just a small amount of recline, I have never had issue with the people in front reclining the seat, in fact, I'm almost always behind someone who does.

Amazing that I flew for years without knowing how I needed to correct everyone around me, and myself on how they shouldn't recline their seats. Guess its a recent rule? Reguardless, I try not to fly anymore.

Also, pretty much every flight I did was cross country, either for west coast work related conventions, west coast kart racing, or cross ocean flying, so maybe that is the difference.

[Tishabet]

This is why I only travel by private railcar.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by gprsh924

If it's a short flight (less than 3 hours) and you must recline your seat, please do so gently, or perhaps by giving the person behind you a heads up. Rather than jamming your entire body weight backward directly into my knees. Or right into my iPad and drink that are on the tray table right after the flight attendant did drink service.

This! Just a little common courtesy and you can use whatever you want. But where air travel is concerned....common courtesy...isn't so common.

[slodave]

Originally Posted by BlueTone

I'm 6'8" and plan my route / time based on seat availability.

How in the world do you fit in a 911 without your head hitting the ceiling???


I've traveled to Europe a lot over my life and have experienced everything that has been posted. I try to only recline my seat halfway on longer flights. On short hops around the country, I don't bother reclining the seat, so as to give the person behind me as much room as possible.

[Iciclehead]

In my mind the root problem is airplane seat pitch.....they are cramming more and more people into the aircraft and there appears to be no sort of regulation or limit to how close they can sardine us in there.

I am not a fan of government over-regulation, but generally, I think it is high time that there be a few rules/agreements/regulations that set a minimum seat pitch.

I fly KLM a lot, my butt to kneecap measurement is 28.5 inches and KLM's economy seat pitch is 31, which means if I sit straight, allowing perhaps 3 inches for the padding of the seat in front of me....I do not physically fit into their economy seat.....so when I can, I upgrade.

If I get stuck in economy, even sitting still, the person in front of me invariably complains about my knees in their backside....I can't do anything about it. If they recline, well, lets just say I have had a couple of cases where the irate person in front of me trying to recline their seat accused me of deliberately kneeing them in the back, when in reality, all I was doing was sitting as neatly as possible. Can't swing to the side as I encroach on to my neighbours seat and there is very little extra width available to me, and I am not fat at all, just wide at the hips.

So personally, I think we need some regulations governing seat pitch and width. My vote would be 33 inch pitch and probably around 19 inch width, or perhaps some sort of sensible regulation setting pitch/width to cover the 95th percentile or similar.

This is getting ridiculous.....couple that with air line check in issues, well, air travel is a misery

Dennis

[cairns]

Frequent flyers don't recline (as a rule of thumb).

Absolute BS.

If it's a short flight (less than 3 hours) and you must recline your seat, please do so gently, or perhaps by giving the person behind you a heads up. Rather than jamming your entire body weight backward directly into my knees. Or right into my iPad and drink that are on the tray table right after the flight attendant did drink service.

Agree 100%.

I'm a very frequent flyer and I will recline when I want to. You paid for the full motion of the seat and you shouldn't feel bad about using it. But you can be courteous about it.

Flying coach is usually dirt cheap and you get what you pay for. You paid $600 for a ticket to London or $200 to get to Orlando and you're going to b*tch about someone reclining their seat? Or someone using the back of your seat to move around?

You want more room and comfort pay for it and quit whining. And if you're that frequent a flyer you're rarely, if ever, sitting in coach.