beheading videos

[ForBell]

not interested in adding any discord to this topic and having it placed in PARF, but,

mr. pavulon,

your words: "mortal enemies", "PARF", "inflammatory", "baiting".

"Either way, I'd like to read about people's thoughts on this topic."

the man gave you his "thoughts", you just didn't like them. who's being dissonant here?

i'm over and out.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

I would add another reason not to watch... we are giving the dirtbags free publicity.

And "they" want us to watch them.

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

And "they" want us to watch them.

So, what happens when this becomes common enough that the shock value and world interest goes down to nearly zero?

They've only done 4 and I can already see the outrage waning.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by ForBell

not interested in adding any discord to this topic and having it placed in PARF, but,

mr. pavulon,

your words: "mortal enemies", "PARF", "inflammatory", "baiting".

"Either way, I'd like to read about people's thoughts on this topic."

the man gave you his "thoughts", you just didn't like them. who's being dissonant here?

i'm over and out.

Ok. Thank you Mr. ForBell.

It has been my understanding that this is a discussion forum (see title) so inviting respectful discussion (as opposed to opinions alone) seemed to be appropriate. Maybe not.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

I'd like to say something about a couple (few) posts so far...but it wouldn't be good.
So I'll refrain.

Originally Posted by pavulon

People should be able to disagree without becoming mortal enemies. Nobody learns if everyone thinks the same.

If you can, please do express yourself in a way that is not inflammatory or alternatively consider re-posting in PARF for discussion there. Either way, I'd like to read about people's thoughts on this topic.

There seemed to be a lot of responses to the two posts above, and I don't understand the reason.

Don's original post seems to me to imply that his response may be inflammatory " it wouldn't be good, So I'll refrain". To me that reads as if he's following the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" saying.

When I read pavulon's response, I took it to mean, "Hey, I'm interested to hear what you've got to say, can you convey it in a way that isn't inflammatory?" (as Don had implied it would be).

To me, this sounded like both gents were trying to avoid the type of exchanges that are common to PARF and have a rational discussion.

How is it, that so many took both statements as inflammatory?


Separate from the above...

I don't watch the videos. I haven't seen them and I'm not interested. I occasionally have a twitch of morbid curiosity about them, but that's generally very short lived. I don't need to see them to understand the horrors that are occurring. I also agree that since the groups putting the videos out want them seen, I won't watch them. It's my version of not feeding the trolls.

Personally, I don't think watching or not watching in any way implies my level of respect for the dead.

I'm afraid that when I think about what ISIS is doing, my thoughts sink to their level. I think it would be nice if there was a way to spirit the innocent folks in the area away right before we turn the rest to dust.

[Don Ro]

OK, I'll just say something that's from my perspective.
As a combat vet (Viet Nam) I witnessed what I never could have imagined...never in my best imagination.
Heart-stopping shock. We were kids.
As a result of what I and many of my buddies witnessed, it was clear that we took-on a new perspective.
At the risk of not stating this correctly, I'll just say that we matured - as Human Beings. We became men!
We also became forthright and dedicated to what we were there to do...because of what we witnessed.
We were never the same thereafter, but our appreciation for life was enhanced.
.
That's really all that I wished to say in this thread.
Perhaps I approached it from some unforgettable memories.
But those early memories have me and my fellow survivor buddies awaken each day with profound gratitude.
Awaken, as well, with great sorrow and honor for those who we witnessed crying out for their mothers, and who didn't return.
.
I'll be more careful about my posts from now on.
Thanks for you attention.
As you were, gentlemen.

[Evans, Marv]

I won't be watching something like that, because I see no reason to voluntarily do that, plus I see no reason I should even remotely have any association in any way with mindless criminals - other than maybe the opportunity to eliminate them. I have also wondered if the victims were drugged. And to Don, I suppose you see some merit in suggesting we watch. I had a job in the '60s & '70s that involved body recoveries at times, and I have seen more than enough - including recovery of bodies that were weeks & months old. I don't feel it added anything useful to my life other than furthering the realization we are mortal.

[masraum]

Don, thanks for your service. When they say "war is hell", I believe it. I've not been or experienced the sorts of things that you have, but I realize that even with my vivid imagination, that I can't even begin to comprehend the reality. That, to me is a sobering thought.

I don't think watching the videos would really be as eye opening as your experiences were. I'm afraid that due to movies, TV and SFX, watching a video on youtube or where ever would seem not much different than you average war/zombie movie. I don't think for the sort of impact that you are talking about there is any replacement for up close and personal experience. I just don't think it's real until it's REAL.

[A930Rocket]

I haven't watched any part of them. No interest in furthering their objectives and I like my minds eye the way it is.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

I haven't watched any part of them. No interest in furthering their objectives and I like my minds eye the way it is.

That describes my feelings exactly. I've seen enough to know what is ahead.

[syncroid]

I made the mistake a few years back and watched the video of Nicholas Berg being beheaded. It is burned into my memory forever.
I hurt for him. I hurt for his family and friends.
I have zero interest in seeing another life taken by these pathetic cowards that are looking for shock and awe by taking the life of a shackled, defenseless human being.
Just my .02
Scott, I hope this is one of the perspectives you were looking for.

[ForBell]

i've watched a few beheading videos. the mexican cartel videos are the most vicious because it's clear that they relish the event more than the others do.
i didn't notice much animosity in myself towards the ISIS ilk (i already have them in a place), but i did notice my disgust for the "leaders" (not party-specific) that are politically motivated to stall on making any major move on the terrorist mind set.
those who engage in such terrorist activities are psychologically shame based and as such will only succumb to overwhelming force.
if the force is not overwhelming and they give in (not likely), their shame kicks in and they cannot, and will not, tolerate that. these people are crazed.
ergo, there is only one way to handle this phenom! total elimination of the mind set which is based on what muhammad has dictated and which they follow.
namely, all who disagree with his philosophy must either accept it or die.
watch the videos or not, who gives a damn! (?)

btw, mr. pavulon, did you get the " impressions", the "discussion", the "communication" you were seeking? you're rather quiet.

"Quran Surah 8:12 - I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."

JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM

[speeder]

I've seen one, maybe 10 years ago. It was the contractor in Iraq. That's enough for me. I don't need to witness the barbarity of these monsters to know what they did to the guy. I grieve for the victims and their families. I have family members in grave danger because of their work with Syrian refugees in the Middle East as we speak.

I respect Don's service to this country and he has certainly earned the right to express his opinion, though all Americans have that right. I'll gladly watch a video of Isis fighters being blown into hamburger by a missile from my cousin's F-22, though.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by ForBell

btw, mr. pavulon, did you get the " impressions", the "discussion", the "communication" you were seeking? you're rather quiet.
JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM

I can't know what you're trying to stir up again but it appears that you want me to be something other than a someone looking to learn something from other members.

If I were looking to start an argument, I'd have posted in PARF...where people love to argue. Also, I've been busy for much of today. Further, I guess "over and out" doesn't mean what it did at one time.

Lastly, what has happened to PPOT? Civility seems to have flat-lined.

[Neilk]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

They have to be drugged to be that calm and compliant. I sure wouldn't be spouting off some propaganda boilerplate if I knew they'd be my last words and there was nothing worse they would do to me than cut my head off.

Someone told me that the reason they are so calm and compliant is that they have to perform the same speech daily for X amount of days until one day, it's their day. So apparently they just do the speech to get it over.

*****ty in any case.

[Hard-Deck]

Hmmmmm.

Watch at your mind's peril.

[Robbbyg]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

I've watched many. I think that Americans (every human) ought to watch them.
.
PM me and I'll give you links.

Why?

My thought is that if there is no videos, no media coverage on these wankers then it may stop the murders..?

I feel they do it for the attention they do it to make an impact on others , to spread their word,..

I wonder what would happen if they could no longer use Media?

They would have to write letters to members of government airing their grievances , and that option is more desirable to the publlc I think

So I think that no one should watch them
I think that this latest round of terror like so many previously are spread by the media

Think about it, they wouldn't bother if they couldn't spread their word would they? they might then go and get a job somewhere or be stand up comedians or go home and help mum do the dishes.

Take away their greatest weapon
and you take away their power which is fear and that is only possible because of media.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by motion

There will always be a few extremists inflicting horrors upon others. Be it ISIS, a guy with a gun in Norway, a disgruntled ex-army nut job in Oklahoma, etc.

There's really nothing that can be done about them. It just doesn't make sense to dwell upon and relive their brand of horror. All that can be done is to grieve for the victims.

Don, with all due respect, these beheadings are not an indication of what our world has become. Its a few people in a very small part of the world.

I would have to disagree. It has been documented that they have executed well over 10 thousand people in just a few months, torturing many...either beheading or nailing them to a cross to die slowly. They have raped at will and taken hundreds if not thousands of sex slaves...many are children. These are someone's wives and daughters. The occasional Brit or American is just a quick diversion for them...a sideshow to their bloody daily massacre. There were just a few...less than 3 thousand...but the "success" they have had and the little resistance from the civilized world have increased their ranks to almost 100K and growing daily. They have lots of money and heavy weaponry and nothing is really being done. There are a lot of them and they own a rather large part of the world...and are taking more daily. If you want to stop them, kill them.

[masraum]

I vote we start a glass factory...

[Robbbyg]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I would have to disagree. It has been documented that they have executed well over 10 thousand people in just a few months, torturing many...either beheading or nailing them to a cross to die slowly. They have raped at will and taken hundreds if not thousands of sex slaves...many are children. These are someone's wives and daughters. The occasional Brit or American is just a quick diversion for them...a sideshow to their bloody daily massacre. There were just a few...less than 3 thousand...but the "success" they have had and the little resistance from the civilized world have increased their ranks to almost 100K and growing daily. They have lots of money and heavy weaponry and nothing is really being done. There are a lot of them and they own a rather large part of the world...and are taking more daily. If you want to stop them, kill them.

Documented?
by Who?
can you post the link??
I doubt it

A classic example of Media scare mongering the public, the channel who cites the most murders, scares the most people gets the most ratings.

Obviously to anyone who can see past the hype the real numbers are much much lower

All we know is what the media is told to tell us and that is the only thing we can be sure of.

Lets see a report as to why this is going on, not just graphical images and hype, lets see some factual news and evidence showing the reason behind it all ,

Its a sorry state we live in where war and fighting and death is run and supported only at the whim of the media

If there is to be coverage lets see someone ask one of the terrorists as to what is it they are hoping to achieve and what would make them stop?

The way to peace might be as easy as just talking it out..

But it seems no one has thought of doing that, the only thing I see as factual so far is the ratings and profits made by the media supporting reporting in a fashion only to scare and worry about their bottom line.
Lets see this end by not fighting but by some intelligence , common sense and empathy.

Which war was initiated for control and money and profits?
Oh I remember.. all of them

Stop selling the bullets to the terrorists would be a god place to start I think
Where do they buy bullets for their American made weaponry?

Stop making the bullets, stop supporting them stop hyping it up, stop the media reporting on it and it will all stop..

But Geeed wont allow that