beheading videos

[ForBell]

Originally Posted by pavulon

I can't know what you're trying to stir up again but it appears that you want me to be something other than a someone looking to learn something from other members.

If I were looking to start an argument, I'd have posted in PARF...where people love to argue. Also, I've been busy for much of today. Further, I guess "over and out" doesn't mean what it did at one time.

Lastly, what has happened to PPOT? Civility seems to have flat-lined.

civility?
i'll come to your rescue because you had/have no way of knowing.
i hold no quarrel w/you. and yes, you initiated a thread to ask and to know. your right, indeed. i'll end it there, because anything else i may post may come across to you as uninviting.
take care, my man.

Forrest Bell, 1st Lt. (Battlefield Commissioned), Viet Nam - 1966

as was the man with whom you initially took offense in this thread - a purple heart who chose to stay and be with his brothers.
we met in washington, dc
he may never visit w/me again for posting this, but i just had to say it.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by ForBell

civility?
i'll come to your rescue because you had/have no way of knowing.
i hold no quarrel w/you. and yes, you initiated a thread to ask and to know. your right, indeed. i'll end it there, because anything else i may post may come across to you as uninviting.
take care, my man.

Forrest Bell, 1st Lt. (Battlefield Commissioned), Viet Nam - 1966

as was the man with whom you initially took offense in this thread - a purple heart who chose to stay and be with his brothers.
we met in washington, dc
he may never visit w/me again for posting this, but i just had to say it.

Ok. Thanks to you and to Don for your respective services.. I'll send a PM as this has gone as far as it can reasonably go here. Please take the time to read it as it is sincerely well-intended.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Robbbyg

Obviously to anyone who can see past the hype the real numbers are much much lower

How is it obvious that the numbers are lower?

Lets see a report as to why this is going on, not just graphical images and hype, lets see some factual news and evidence showing the reason behind it all ,

Its a sorry state we live in where war and fighting and death is run and supported only at the whim of the media

So you're saying that without the media, this wouldn't be happening or wouldn't be supported?

If there is to be coverage lets see someone ask one of the terrorists as to what is it they are hoping to achieve and what would make them stop?

I'd love to hear that from the horses mouth as well.

The way to peace might be as easy as just talking it out..

Seriously, was that supposed to be in green? That sounds pretty darn naive. Folks that can talk it out don't casually behead people by hand.

But it seems no one has thought of doing that, the only thing I see as factual so far is the ratings and profits made by the media supporting reporting in a fashion only to scare and worry about their bottom line.
Lets see this end by not fighting but by some intelligence , common sense and empathy.

Sometimes, in some circumstances, there is no other option. Do you think "just talking it out ... by some intelligence , common sense and empathy" would have stopped Hitler?

Stop selling the bullets to the terrorists would be a god place to start I think

First good point you've made yet, IMO

Stop making the bullets, stop supporting them stop hyping it up, stop the media reporting on it and it will all stop..

Again, I think you're dreaming. Mankind has had war and violence since before guns, and before metal. The only thing that would stop violence and war would be if there were just a handful of folks on the planet with enough space between them that they never saw the others.

While I think most of what you have said is terribly unrealistic, I also think that folks with your outlook are necessary to keep the other end of the spectrum a bit in check.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just don't agree with most of your point of view.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Robbbyg

Documented?
by Who?
can you post the link??
I doubt it...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/world/middleeast/un-reports-at-least-26000-civilian-casualties-in-iraq-conflict-this-year.html?_r=0

http://rt.com/news/168916-isis-iraq-war-crimes/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/10/03/352815113/isis-captives-tell-of-rapes-and-beatings-plead-for-help

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/02/us-mideast-crisis-un-idUSKCN0HR0R120141002

Originally Posted by Robbbyg

...A classic example of Media scare mongering the public, the channel who cites the most murders, scares the most people gets the most ratings.

Obviously to anyone who can see past the hype the real numbers are much much lower
...

Documented?
by Who?
can you post the link??
I doubt it...

...Hard to imagine anyone defending ISIS/ISIL

Originally Posted by Robbbyg

...Lets see a report as to why this is going on, not just graphical images and hype, lets see some factual news and evidence showing the reason behind it all ,

Its a sorry state we live in where war and fighting and death is run and supported only at the whim of the media

If there is to be coverage lets see someone ask one of the terrorists as to what is it they are hoping to achieve and what would make them stop?

The way to peace might be as easy as just talking it out...

You do realize that the heads they have been cutting off are those of reporters (and aid workers) trying to do exactly that. Hard to make that report without losing your head. Are you volunteering?

Originally Posted by Robbbyg

...Stop selling the bullets to the terrorists would be a god place to start I think
Where do they buy bullets for their American made weaponry?

Stop making the bullets, stop supporting them stop hyping it up, stop the media reporting on it and it will all stop...

Seems like bullets are the only think that keeps them from cutting off everyone's head who does not convert. Note, that they are using a knife in the videos.

Originally Posted by Robbbyg

...But Geeed wont allow that...

I am not sure what Geeed has to do with the torture, rape and murder of innocent folks...maybe you should enlighten the rest of us.

[AudreyB]

Originally Posted by ForBell

Forrest Bell, 1st Lt. (Battlefield Commissioned), Viet Nam - 1966

as was the man with whom you initially took offense in this thread - a purple heart who chose to stay and be with his brothers.
we met in washington, dc
he may never visit w/me again for posting this, but i just had to say it.

I'm impressed! Thank you for your service. I've searched but haven't found - I wonder how many Battlefield Commissions were awarded during the Viet Nam conflict.

[fintstone]

I agree with Audrey. Thanks for your service/sacrifice.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by AudreyB

I'm impressed! Thank you for your service. I've searched but haven't found - I wonder how many Battlefield Commissions were awarded during the Viet Nam conflict.

Last information that I rec'd was just over 60 individuals.

[Hawkeye's-911T]

I would add another reason not to watch... we are giving the dirtbags free publicity.

"Buckwheat the ba$terds."

This is about as 'parfy' as I dare & hopefully will ever go.

[AudreyB]

Vietnam War — From 1963-1973: A list of 62 enlisted men who were commissioned includes one man who was killed before he could accept his commission.

I also found this: "On the ground, 2,709,918 Americans served and fought in Vietnam. Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old."

It is remarkable, I'd say, that there are two Viet Nam battlefield commissioned men on this board. Maybe more?

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by AudreyB

with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old."

What's the date of that research? Just curious as I was there at the end and I'm 59. Was 18 in 1973. Even if the 54 year old was there in 1975, they would have only been 15 or 16????

[speeder]

Originally Posted by AudreyB

Vietnam War — From 1963-1973: A list of 62 enlisted men who were commissioned includes one man who was killed before he could accept his commission.

I also found this: "On the ground, 2,709,918 Americans served and fought in Vietnam. Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old."

It is remarkable, I'd say, that there are two Viet Nam battlefield commissioned men on this board. Maybe more?

Not sure when that was written but someone who is 54 years old today would have been 13 years old when the war ended and 15 when the last Americans were evacuated from Saigon.

[speeder]

Typing at the same time.

[Don Ro]

'Think she got that info here:
.
Sobering Statistics

[Don Ro]

I was there at the age of 20 - 21...born in '45.

[speeder]

Written 10 years ago, I think.

[fintstone]

Many of the 62 are likely no longer with us...a rather small and elite club.

[AudreyB]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Many of the 62 are likely no longer with us...a rather small and elite club.

What would this world be w/o good men? I love them all. Please take that as well-meaning!
My father was a Purple Heart from WWII.

[ramonesfreak]

I watched one. The impression it left is not something I can erase from my mind in the same way I can not erase from my mind the images of people jumping from the World Trade Center. The horror of both these images is about equal in intensity for me.

[Texlexic]

Originally Posted by Neilk

Someone told me that the reason they are so calm and compliant is that they have to perform the same speech daily for X amount of days until one day, it's their day. So apparently they just do the speech to get it over.

*****ty in any case.

I have watched most of the latest videos, but don't recommend it to anyone.

The discussion over at Reddit on the subject is interesting in that the detailed, almost forensic level of analysis of these latest videos suggest that the beginning of each execution is faked with a blunt knife, then the victim is shown decapitated after having been shot. There is a clear edit at this point in each video. This, along with your description, support the reasoning for their calm demeanor.

That stated, I wish the good guys would stop messing around. Everyone in ISIS held territory should think that thing in Cloverfield just landed.

[HiBeam]

The idea behind the suggestions to watching the videos is a >transformation< of your worldview. If you're not up to it, then don't watch. Someone has already said, it can stimulate anger towards those who are in a position to do something about this world crisis and yet they choose to stall for political gain.

If you watch the Mexican cartel beheadings there is NO execution shot prior to the beheadings, and clearly no drugging. Those videos are gruesome, to be sure. Again, the idea behind watching them is to stimulate anger towards the "leaders" of the free world, as has been previously posted.
As a woman, I am filled with absolute disgust towards the "leaders" of the "free world". My only hope is that something will be launched, and soon, to put an end to this evil human impoverishment. Overwhelming annihilation is the only response. And more than a response, this must be a reaction.