Best way to move spoons cross country?

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Z, you recommend not transporting spoon-food on the x-country trip. What's a good way to get it to your destination?

Jim:
I believe it is legal to ship sugar for your spoons, since many online places will ship ammo directly to your home.

I do not think the USPS will ship it, but UPS will: http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/packaging/guidelines/ammunition.html

If you only have a couple of boxes of sugar, then a trip to the local range with your buddies makes for a nice farewell party...

-Z

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Z, you recommend not transporting spoon-food on the x-country trip. What's a good way to get it to your destination?

Jim,

Going throught this as well. I inherited two spoons from my father in addition to a green ammo can full of .45 and .38 ammunition.

UPS is the best route: https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/packaging/guidelines/ammunition.html

After doing some back of the napkin "ought times ought" I don't think shipping the ammo home will be worth the hassle since I'll only be in Fairfield for two days and it's not cheap. I plan on making a local Sacramento board member happy!

To the OP...Dan, send me a note and let me know what you will be doing.

Best.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Jim,

Going throught this as well. I inherited two spoons from my father in addition to a green ammo can full of .45 and .38 ammunition.

UPS is the best route: https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/packaging/guidelines/ammunition.html

After doing some back of the napkin "ought times ought" I don't think shipping the ammo home will be worth the hassle since I'll only be in Fairfield for two days and it's not cheap. I plan on making a local Sacramento board member happy!

To the OP...Dan, send me a note and let me know what you will be doing.

Best.

I'll take the .38!

[Jim Richards]

Thanks Z, Paul for the advice. It's more than a couple of boxes. I'll price it out sometime soon to see if it makes more sense to ship or shoot before we move out west.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Thanks Z, Paul for the advice. It's more than a couple of boxes. I'll price it out sometime soon to see if it makes more sense to ship or shoot before we move out west.

I just happen to know a guy, who knows a guy that has an outdoor spoon range

[Jim Richards]

Hmmmm

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I would not transport them in the car if you are taking your 911.

The 911 will either get shipped separately, or I'll caravan with it. The BMW gets the heavy load, to include the spoons. I don't ever actually carry spoons in the 911, just because the risk of getting pulled over is so much higher. (Not a dig on cops, but I recognize that I drive differently in that car.)

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by Z-man

If you only have a couple of boxes of sugar, then a trip to the local range with your buddies makes for a nice farewell party...

It's def legal to ship "sugar," of all kinds, to most states. I do it all the time. But it's kind of pricey. I've got a bunch of local buyers for the leftovers, though I'm still planning on reducing inventory by doing at least one more really good range day. Whee! Good call.

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Suggestion: go to the local Guitar Center and find yourself a nice electronic guitar case. With slight modifications, these padded cases make a great discreet rifle and shotgun transport case. Much better than the big black sniper case with big "AR-15" embossed on the cover!

This is an excellent idea. I actually have a case from thugcase.com which fits a grand total of one (1) rifle. It's not a high quality thing, but it looks awesome, and I love showing up at the range with it. What I'm actually hauling in is basic rectangular black nylon cases. They could be electric pianos, I suppose. Maybe I should get musical-looking stickers for them. "Sir, why are you carrying 3 electric pianos?" (sigh)

If only we had, I don't know, some kind of Constitutional-level law that recognized the inherent right of a citizen to carry weapons.

Regarding Utah CCW: I live in Maryland, can I still get a Utah permit?

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by djmcmath

If only we had, I don't know, some kind of Constitutional-level law that recognized the inherent right of a citizen to carry weapons.

That would be a great idea! That's like the second best idea I've heard since the constitution!

Regarding Utah CCW: I live in Maryland, can I still get a Utah permit?

Yes you can.
Clicky here:
UtahCCW

-Z

[yazhound]

I worked years ago for District Attorney's office. We are on the i75 corridor. As many previous posters have said, most stops for dumb infractions. Many many drug and gun busts for that very reason. Tail light, failure to signal etc.... Go over your vehicles with another each day of trip to make everything is operable.

I think the Sons of Anarchy are now available.

[John Rogers]

Z-Man almost got it right.......Buy one or more TSA approved hard cases that are used to ship guns to meets even over seas like the black powder guys do the So. Africa or Germany. A guitar case would probably raise some really hard issues especially if the stopping officer was a GUITAR PLAYER. And no matter what Rick sez, if you don't agree to a search then......

[djmcmath]

Crazy idea which would both reduce the space required in transport and ensure that the spoons couldn't possible be mistaken for operable weapons: Ship the barrels and magazines separately to my parents' place in Idaho ahead of time. They're "parts," not actual spoons, so it's legal, and it avoids any possible confusion on the part of law enforcement over my intent.

Thoughts?

[Jim Richards]

I like that idea, dj. I might do that, too.

[aigel]

Maybe you guys all are just having fun by now, but it pains me why you don't just check what the law is and follow it in every state you drive through. If it is impossible, then just send the guns to yourself. That appears perfectly legal.

G

https://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf

Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out of
State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than
the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm.

[Jim Richards]

Stop trying to be so logical.

[Z-man]

Edited original post - I had assumed stuff that wasn't correct...

dj: I would double check to make sure you can ship your firearms to yourself 'in care' of another person. I thought shipping a firearm required that the receiver of the shipment have an FFL. In New Jersey, that is a requirement.

If you do ship firearms, they must be declared with the shipping company, and I am pretty sure the USPS will not ship firearms.

-Z-man.

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by aigel

Maybe you guys all are just having fun by now, but it pains me why you don't just check what the law is and follow it in every state you drive through.

I live in Maryland, and have had a lot of long conversations with other MD shooters about this topic, and we collectively do not understand our own state's laws. Even if there was some reasonably efficient place where each state laid out their safe transit laws for firearms (which there isn't), actually making sense of how laws are enforced is a different matter entirely. Additionally, let's say I research the laws for North Dakota, but end up changing routes and using South Dakota instead. There's a lot of states between Maryland and Washington, and a lot of possible routes.

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by Z-man

dj: I would double check to make sure you can ship your firearms to yourself 'in care' of another person. I thought shipping a firearm required that the receiver of the shipment have an FFL. In New Jersey, that is a requirement.

Thanks, Z-Man; from Aigel's link to the ATF, it looks like this is technically legal. Or at least, it's legal at the Federal level. I know that it's not legal to ship an actual firearm to someone in either Maryland or Washington without going through an FFL, though, so I think there's a state-level complication that makes the ATF's sane and rational position somewhat less useful.

That said: It's legal to ship gun parts. In fact, most of my gun stuff has been shipped. I've obviously either purchased registered parts at dealers or had them shipped to FFLs, but things like barrels, mags, optics, and the like aren't considered firearms for most purposes.

The entertaining twist that just occurred to me, of course, is that I'm not sure it's legal for me to drive to the FedEx store with gun parts in my trunk. I've forgotten whether MD requires the registered component to be present for it to be considered a firearm. (sigh) Time to go study the law on that one.

[black_falcon]

I've shipped rifles via FedEx for $25-30, handguns from $15-20. For a hundred bucks or two you could save yourself lots of worry and free up space for other items. I've always been a nervous wreck driving with firearms in my vehicle, even though perfectly legal, you never know with police these days. Would not consider a cross country trip while being stressed out the whole way so shipping for me is a no brainer.