Best way to move spoons cross country? - Page 3

John Rogers · 04-18-2015, 01:01 PM

I checked with our longest serving FFL in San Diego and he said "To ship a firearm that shoots a CARTRIDGE or can be made into a gun that does, across state lines, it has to end up at a FFL, even if it/they are to yourself at a new address. He noted that this is federal law which trumps state law. Muzzle loaders including new "Italian" copies are exempt, even to California as the federal government does not consider them as weapons! As you are doing now, check the real references not someone's advice.

As I noted earlier, I would get TSA approved cases, which can always be sold later and use them. If you pull the rifles apart that can and probably will cause questions if inspected or the packages are x ray'd or searched or.....

djmcmath · 04-18-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by black_falcon

I've shipped rifles via FedEx for $25-30, handguns from $15-20. For a hundred bucks or two you could save yourself lots of worry and free up space for other items. I've always been a nervous wreck driving with firearms in my vehicle, even though perfectly legal, you never know with police these days. Would not consider a cross country trip while being stressed out the whole way so shipping for me is a no brainer.

Seriously? Between which states? No FFL involved? Tell me more.

djmcmath · 04-18-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by john rogers

I checked with our longest serving FFL in San Diego and he said "To ship a firearm that shoots a CARTRIDGE or can be made into a gun that does, across state lines, it has to end up at a FFL, even if it/they are to yourself at a new address. He noted that this is federal law which trumps state law.

That's always what I've understood to be true. Shipping a firearm to a non-FFL has a potential for jail time, as I understood it.

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As I noted earlier, I would get TSA approved cases, which can always be sold later and use them. If you pull the rifles apart that can and probably will cause questions if inspected or the packages are x ray'd or searched or.....

What kinds of questions would just receivers raise? I'm innocent here, so unsure of what kinds of suspicions a guy moving cross country with a couple of AR-15 lowers raises.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Could you ship lower receivers in one box / shipment and the rest / uppers as part of another separate shipment? Just wondering. I know people buy / sell components online all the time but have no idea about what needs / doesn't need to go through an FFL. I thought you could possess the lower receiver and the upper at the same time for a particular firearm only if it is legal in a particular state and you have any applicable federal permits (e.g. Class III for a full-auto, etc.)

I don't see why I need a law degree to understand how to legally procure / transport / keep a firearm. It's insane. There has to be a reasonably simple way to deal with this (like "just go through a FFL" as a suggestion, but I'd love to hear some others - preferably ones that are inexpensive and don't leave paper trails around).

It's nuts when a constitutionally-guaranteed right has gotten so twisted that you pretty much need to assume that anything you ever want to do with a firearm is somehow illegal and runs afoul of one or more local, state or federal laws, with varying degrees of obscurity.

djmcmath · 04-18-2015, 05:04 PM

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It's nuts when a constitutionally-guaranteed right has gotten so twisted that you pretty much need to assume that anything you ever want to do with a firearm is somehow illegal and runs afoul of one or more local, state or federal laws, with varying degrees of obscurity.

Well, yes, and this is the fundamental problem. I'll wax PARFy on this reply, but I've had this conversation a lot. Both pro and anti-gunners want to reduce violence. Nobody wants another Newtown. Heck, I was across the street when the Navy Yard shooting happened.

But there's a huge gap between concept and execution. The concept is that criminals shouldn't have guns, something that we all agree on. The execution is a bewildering array of laws which are enforced arbitrarily.

It's very frustrating.

John Rogers · 04-18-2015, 07:24 PM

As to the question of just the receivers, if that is the part with the serial number, I.E. an AR-15 commercial one and NOT an 80% one you made yourself then if is the same as a fire arm. A FFL has to be used to get it when crossing state lines. YOU can ship it and when I sold the AR-15's and other rifles before using muzzle loaders exclusively then the person on the other end has to have a valid FFL license. There has to be a copy of it with the package also!

As far as barrels, sights, mags, stocks, etc then they are no big deal as they do not constitute a fire arm in the eyes of BATF/E. If these are 80% lowers you machined and assembled yourself then you have to accompany them on your journey. They can NOT be shipped or sold according to my FFL and Don has doing this a long time.