Fathers matter

[Oh Haha]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

Poverty is the reason..
get real ...
STUPIDITY is the reason...
and a big dose of Momma not saying..
don't ruin your life like I did..
these folks have babies..
like strays dropping a litter..
and puppies & babies are cute for a bit..
but..
raising & nuturing a child is another thing ..

Rika

100% agree with you on this. I have a useless nephew that had 7 kids from a couple of different girls. He is a deadbeat Dad that's been in and out of jail. He doesn'tpay child support because he DOESN'T WANT TO. My sister(his mother) is now raising the kids. I see the emotional toll on them but they are doing much better thanks to my sister.

My siblings and I never had a child out of wedlock. I would have to attribute that to my parents who instilled morals in us by setting the example.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by Baz

For those who feel poverty is the biggest issue involved........


How does morality figure into the problem?


Morality is defined as follows:

Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior


Which factor might better help reduce the problem....more money or better morals?

So, poor people are immoral at a greater rate than those who are better off - interesting idea.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by Oh Haha

100% agree with you on this. I have a useless nephew that had 7 kids from a couple of different girls. He is a deadbeat Dad that's been in and out of jail. He doesn'tpay child support because he DOESN'T WANT TO. My sister(his mother) is now raising the kids. I see the emotional toll on them but they are doing much better thanks to my sister.

My siblings and I never had a child out of wedlock. I would have to attribute that to my parents who instilled morals in us by setting the example.

So, you are saying your sister (mother of the nephew deadbeat dad in your example) didn't instill morals - it sounds like that is what you are saying - just want to be sure here. You were both raised by the same parents but did the instill morality 'take' in your instance, and not in your sister's? Really interested in this dichotomy ohhaha.

[Concestor0]

New Study Shows That In Canada Children From Single Parents Do Just As Well

Feb 25 2015

What sort of impact does being in a single-parent family have on a child’s future social and economic success? To find out, Jamie Seabrook and William Avison undertook a study in which they followed 747 subjects in London, Ontario, over a period of 14 years.

At the outset, Seabrook and Avison anticipated that their results would more-or-less mirror trends observed in numerous U.S. studies, where the outcome for children of single parents was generally not very positive. But when the data from their initial set of interviews came in, the researchers saw that young children in single-parent families were doing almost as well as children in two-parent families. This led them to suspect that the ultimate picture in London, Ontario, might differ substantially from what had been observed in the U.S. studies.

The common consensus would seem to be that the level of household income or poverty is what drives outcomes for children – and this is what the U.S. studies had observed. Avison and Seabrook found, however, that income disparity wasn’t particularly disadvantaging children in poorer families in London, Ontario. What they did find was that the educational attainment of the mothers was highly comparable between the single mothers and the married mothers, and their data suggests that it was this educational attainment, and not family structure per se, that was driving the children’s outcomes for success.

In fact, contrary to expectations, Seabrook and Avison found that growing up in a “stable” two-parent family in London, Ontario, did not confer an advantage on these children relative to those growing up in a “stable” single-parent family or a family that transitioned from one parent to two parents.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

So, poor people are immoral at a greater rate than those who are better off - interesting idea.

I never said that. I just asked a question.

[Rikao4]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

So, poor people are immoral at a greater rate than those who are better off - interesting idea.

lol..nice try..

No poor people can't afford to repeatedly make DUMB choices..
when they have little to nothing per you..
WHY have a puppy....

Rika

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

lol..nice try..

No poor people can't afford to repeatedly make DUMB choices..
when they have little to nothing per you..
WHY have a puppy....

Rika

Maybe we should sterilize them? not sure where you are headed with this...

[Rikao4]

maybe they could think for a minute or two...
if as you say ..
all around you is failures in the game of life...
a few brain cells will tell you..
you could do this and..
but no...
it's legs up..
and on the treadmill they go..
to no-where..

Rika

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

Misogynist often - why yes, I think you do...

Of course fathers matter - but, there are a lot of factors that feed into the teen pregnancy rate - the first is poverty.

And since most teenaged pregnancies occur in low income/poverty neighborhoods, you probably have to view the 'missing father' equation differently than the misogynistic views above. In those areas fathers are often missing because they are in jail, or are deadbeat dads. Between the over 1.5 million low income dads are incarcerated at any one time, and are not working to support the family (obviously), and over 100 billion in unpaid child support by deadbeat dads, many of the mothers are left in poverty. And what else does poverty exasperate? The ability to get birth control, that too is a huge factor in teenage pregnancy.

So while some would love to paint women as heartless money grabbers, who deny fathers' their rights, I think you would find, in the case of teenaged pregnancy, the problem is complex, and that poverty is the largest contributing factor to teenaged pregnancy.

Das RACIST!!!!!!!

Be very careful, you are dancing close to the TRUTH and the TRUTH you are nearly exposing is definately NOT PC.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

Maybe we should sterilize them? not sure where you are headed with this...

How about we go back to a world where personal choices still had consequences.
If a person made a bad life decision, they paid for it.

As opposed to letting them off scott free and forcing EVERYONE ELSE to pay for their poor choices.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

How about we go back to a world where personal choices still had consequences.
If a person made a bad life decision, they paid for it.

As opposed to letting them off scott free and forcing EVERYONE ELSE to pay for their poor choices.

Well, with children it is a difficult choice. Do you punish the children for the sins of their parents? A 5 year old should be punished with major 'lacks' in education, food, shelter because his mother made a poor choice?

And usually when we ignore those children the chances that they just repeat the cycle are pretty high.

It is a very difficult problem, I would rather not have small children suffer - but maybe that is your solution sammy?

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Das RACIST!!!!!!!

Be very careful, you are dancing close to the TRUTH and the TRUTH you are nearly exposing is definately NOT PC.

What, that rural teen moms have babies at rates a third higher than urban teens? Did you think something different Sammy?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

Poverty is the reason..
get real ...
STUPIDITY is the reason...

No, stupidity isn't the reason. Poverty has a lot to do with it, but it isn't the only factor. There is a poverty syndrome that involves less moral leadership by parents, less education, less value placed on education, less money in the house, poor nutrition, poor health care, and less of a commitment to traditional family values. Encouraging people to move out of poverty is a huge problem with no single cause and no single solution.
And then there are outliers who have all the advantages and still make bad choices.

[Rikao4]

all those things listed give them a choice..
you can be 'poor'..and not be dumb about it..

Rika

[Oh Haha]

foxpaws--I don't know WHY my nephew did what he did. I guess you could say his parents didn't instill those morals.

My niece(his sister) didn't have kids until she was married so did she listen to the parents and he didn't? I have no clue as I wasn't part of raising them.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

all those things listed give them a choice..
you can be 'poor'..and not be dumb about it..

Rika

Really? A five tear old sits down and makes choices about his health care and nutrition? You need to put down your anger and think about this.

[Rikao4]

his healthcare is covered by you & me...
Nutrition is on Mom if she can be bothered..
but most just stick a happy meal in his mouth....
she can decide if he needs a brother as well...
she could decide to go to school..
she could decide to be different than her 'family'....
or she can pop another puppy and collect more $$..


Rika

[Baz]

I think the topic here is not what children do.

It's what adults do. In particular FATHERS.




Does anything think morality is important in maintaining a family unit?

I asked this question earlier but never got an answer.

The definition (again) of morality is:

Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior


If a FATHER has MORALS.......does he make babies and leave them?

[Baz]

[Baz]