Why are Tesla employees leaving?

[red-beard]

Reliability problems push Consumer Reports to pull Tesla recommendation - LA Times

[aigel]

Originally Posted by aschen

I wouldn't place any bets on Faraday future simply because they don't have enough creativity to not name their company after a dead electromagnetism guru


Maybe the CEO also enjoys getting big Mics from Mcdowels

LOL - I already eluded to the "me too" attitude in the valley. You get one company that has a success and suddenly all the venture capital is looking for a repeat. You want to start a company? Do a repeat attempt in a hot topic and you will be sure to have funding. May not be successful, but you get to play CEO for a while and make a good salary at any rate!

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[island911]

Yeah, FF is banking on having a 15% more energy dense battery pack.

Most engineers see that 15% is no game changer, esp when the energy density of their best battery pack isn't even a 10^th of the energy density of a cheap gas tank.

Other engineers see opportunity in designing fantasy rainbow unicorn cars for rich people.

BTW, I have dibs on the name FRUC ...fantasy rainbow unicorn cars.

Oh, and I'm accepting VC bids. 5.37M will buy you 1% of my new super cool electric car company. ...it's going to be HUGE I tell ya.

[red-beard]

Which is why we use Lead-Acid AGM batteries with a "special sauce" for the home builds. Life is ~3000 cycles and about 10-20% the cost of Li-Ion.

[nota]

but only if you use about 20% of the battery bank capacity
and then do a full recharge
bigger draw down quickly shortens the battery life span
esp if over 50% is used even once or a few times

that is where the Li-Ion is so much better
you can go to max drain and recharge WITHOUT SHORTENING LIFE SPAN
so can get the same power use with 20% of the battery's

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by Dave Kost

"Tesla is NOT a viable company and does NOT have a viable product, if you take away the roughly $35,000 the gubmint pays them for every car.

The company I work for is forced to pay nearly $100 mil PER YEAR to buy BS fake carbon credits.

Tesla is GIVEN $68 million worth of fake BS scam carbon credits per year but they are also exempted from needing them because the gubmint is picking favorites.

So Tesla sells those $68 million worth of carbon credits and pockets the $$$.

And that figure increases every year.

Add to that the $7000 tax subsidy for electric vehicles. and a total LOOSER company suddenly becomes viable.

With the taxpayer's help of course.

Note that I did NOT factor in the additional tax subsidy of not having to pay state, local and federal excise taxes on gasoline.
That would add another $4000 over the average life of the car."


The gubmint is not supporting Tesla enough. $68 M is a drop in the bucket for support of new technology. In comparison, How much does the US spend everyday on gasoline?

The BS carbon credits your company has to buy is based on the tons on pollution that goes into the environment. Some (all do) call it a carbon credit but it actually is a fine for polluting.

What if the gubmint earmarked these 'carbon credits' and used the monies for developing and supporting new energy technology?

Maybe, electric autos isn't the future but how much longer can we keep depending on oil?

I guess the answer is....... FOREVER



PS- What is a viable company? You don't pay US taxes?

Dave, I appreciate the post and hear you loud and clear. No argument from me nor mentioned pro or con in regards to subsidy or credits for any of these EV comp's. There's lots of other threads discussing those issues.

Point is: Tesla indeed is producing vehicles, regardless of the taxpayers / gov. support, the carbon footprint, blah, blah. Tesla also has customers and whom are using these vehicles. That's all. You might even want to compare to the era of Preston Tucker but Tesla are viable, real production vehicles. However one wants to stack it, they still are a breakthrough company. They broke thru gov. officials and leaders, figured out how to get funding / support, produced a vehicle from a fresh slate and that people have purchased.

Anyways, as mentioned from the very beginning, I'm trying the keep the politics out of it and more focused on what this Faraday wizardry new car company is developing and curious why Tesla employees are coming on board. From what we're reading, this new startup is somehow pulling in credible talent.

[rick-l]

Hey let's predict new company names:

Maxwell, Faraday, Volt, Henry, Leyden, Ampere

[Scuba Steve]

Originally Posted by rick-l

Hey let's predict new company names:

Maxwell, Faraday, Volt, Henry, Leyden, Ampere

Sparky

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by nota

but only if you use about 20% of the battery bank capacity
and then do a full recharge
bigger draw down quickly shortens the battery life span
esp if over 50% is used even once or a few times

that is where the Li-Ion is so much better
you can go to max drain and recharge WITHOUT SHORTENING LIFE SPAN
so can get the same power use with 20% of the battery's

No. That was much older technology. With the regular AGM, you can get 1500 cycles with a 50% DOD. With the newer tech, you can get 3000 with 75% DOD. Cost is 10% more than regular AGM.

Li-Ion is nowhere near that in a $/kwh

I'm STILL looking for an affordable Lithium battery.

[red-beard]

Reddy KiloWatt

[1990C4S]

Higgs-Boson. Only slightly more elusive than a practical all electric car.

[red-beard]

Better than the Higgins-Boson!

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Reliability problems push Consumer Reports to pull Tesla recommendation - LA Times

As I mentioned in the other thread, I've had most of the problems with unit I purchased for my mother-in-law, with exception of the actual motors, (that scares me now too.)

This comment rings home with me:

“In instances when hardware needs to be fixed, we strive to make it painless,” Reyes said.

Not living in California I can say with certainty that this is VERY painful. On our latest round of alignment issues necessitating the replacement of the control arms and several attached components they wanted to ship the car back to California for the repair initially. (Denver has a repair facility and local "Rangers.")

Of course Tesla offers rental coverage for this, but the turn around time was one week shipping to, a few days for the repair and a week shipping back. While it's fine to have a rental, it's unexpected.

The reason that they initially didn't want to fly in the parts and use a local tech, was that they didn't have some piece of "alignment equipment" to complete the repair. Somehow they overcame this, however the time to get all of this done was again, three weeks.

As far as my mother-in-law goes, she doesn't care, as I suspect most Tesla owners don't. You're and "early adopter" after all. And for her, between her composting toilet and her Tesla she's still saving the world.

Will this fly for the masses? I don't know, but it's not much different than repair on any exotic.

[nota]

Originally Posted by red-beard

No. That was much older technology. With the regular AGM, you can get 1500 cycles with a 50% DOD. With the newer tech, you can get 3000 with 75% DOD. Cost is 10% more than regular AGM.

Li-Ion is nowhere near that in a $/kwh

I'm STILL looking for an affordable Lithium battery.

carbon firefly AGM ?
new tec but they only claim 1000 cycles

''Firefly claims 1000 cycles to 80% depth of discharge which is 600 more cycles than the other AGM batteries
(Odyssey claims 400 cycles to 80% DOD). The design cycle life to 50% DOD, for the Firefly, is 3600 cycles. There is
also the cost savings of not needing to use fossil fuels as much in order to get the battery bank back to 100% as often
as other technologies.
Being the only battery that actually recovered from the PSOC testing these claims may (strong emphasis on "may")
be in-line but as Darrell said, only time will tell.

from Firefly International Energy | Batteries and the PDF from practical sailor under case studys

[aigel]

Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ

He probably means headquarters which are in Palo Alto. It's hard to find "affordable" housing nearby.

30 mile radius? But he may mean 30 minute radius during rush hour. Then YES! The peninsula must be the worst place on the west coast ...

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