Air-Cooled Porsche prices skyrocketting? Will they ever come back down?

[g_vaxed]

Originally Posted by speeder

When you saw the 991 for 30-something Gs, was there a loud ringing sound in your ear and possibly you were getting blown by a Victoria's Secret model?

I thought so. I'm always having the best dreams when the alarm clock goes off.

hmmm, I prefer to get blown while awake...
2009 qualifies as a 991, no? Come out here to the L-east coast - they're at bit cheaper.
Anyway, who ever heard of a nearly new car depreciating to 33% of it's value in just a few years...?

[motion]

I'm going to intervene here, before Denis goes all bloodbath on you.

The 2009 model is designated 997. If you're going to come onto a Porsche forum with your eyes rolling, you may want to make sure you have your Porsche facts straight first.

Originally Posted by g_vaxed

hmmm, I prefer to get blown while awake...
2009 qualifies as a 991, no? Come out here to the L-east coast - they're at bit cheaper.
Anyway, who ever heard of a nearly new car depreciating to 33% of it's value in just a few years...?

[g_vaxed]

Originally Posted by motion

I'm going to intervene here, before Denis goes all bloodbath on you.

The 2009 model is designated 997. If you're going to come onto a Porsche forum with your eyes rolling, you may want to make sure you have your Porsche facts straight first.

ok, ok,,, my bad. 2011 - = 991. 2009 to me denotes an end of an era. When I think 997, I see/think ball bearings spewing all over the place causing tornado type destruction. Bookmarking this thread though, so in 29 weeks when 991's finally do hit the $30 g's range...

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by g_vaxed

ok, ok,,, my bad. 2011 - = 991. 2009 to me denotes an end of an era. When I think 997, I see/think ball bearings spewing all over the place causing tornado type destruction. Bookmarking this thread though, so in 29 weeks when 991's finally do hit the $30 g's range...

Wrong again, the 997 IMS is substantially more reliable than the 996, which still isn't all that bad. But you're right that the 2009 was the end of an era, the 9A1 did not have an IMS. Instead it has direct injection and carbon buildup issues......

If you think the 991 is a superior choice, do some research on DIY maintenance and get back to me. Start with removing the rear bumper to replace the air filter.

[speeder]

I'd love a 991 and they will hit $30k someday but it's a few years off. 991s are 2013-newer.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Wrong again, the 997 IMS is substantially more reliable than the 996, which still isn't all that bad. But you're right that the 2009 was the end of an era, the 9A1 did not have an IMS. Instead it has direct injection and carbon buildup issues......

If you think the 991 is a superior choice, do some research on DIY maintenance and get back to me. Start with removing the rear bumper to replace the air filter.

Really?

The rear bumper has to be removed just to change an air filter? Wow.

I thought getting that upper back clip on my 3.2 Carrera air filter box back on was a pain in the arm. I have to lube my arm up with soapy water to get it shoved up in there far enough to get my finger on the clip.

I have heard some of the later 911s have a very complex oil change process that is not DYI friendly.

[willtel]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Really?

The rear bumper has to be removed just to change an air filter? Wow.

[GH85Carrera]

Wow.

Imaging that task in 10 years and 100,000 miles when all the plastic clips have turned to brittle from heat cycles and are covered in road grime. It does make my 30 year old car seem more appealing.

[VincentVega]

Good stuff

While in for some bodywork after a fender bender... while you're in there can you replace the air filter and swap the engine belt?

Porsche traded head stud and chain tensioner issues for bad intermediate shaft design, case castings and failed cooling hoses for poor accessibility and questionable fuel pumps. Everything mechanical has some issue.

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Wow.

Imaging that task in 10 years and 100,000 miles when all the plastic clips have turned to brittle from heat cycles and are covered in road grime. It does make my 30 year old car seem more appealing.

No plastic clips are used. Extremely easy to do this job compared to other Porsche nonsense.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

No plastic clips are used. Extremely easy to do this job compared to other Porsche nonsense.

Shhhhhush....we need to keep the ignorance flowing in Porsche online forums until I buy my $30k 991.

[flskala]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I have heard some of the later 911s have a very complex oil change process that is not DYI friendly.

Just did an oil change in my 993. It took about 3/4 hours with no lift. Most of the time is spent draining and refilling oil & removing the oil line (and drainage) in the way of the second oil filter.

Judging by the video above, I would rather do the 991 filter replacement any day - cleaner job too.

Re: 991's Not unrealistic they WILL be in the 30's 'relatively' soon. I'm nearly the biggest water cooled hater and even I want one... Has anybody come up with a mod to change the Pan-style tail lights on that thing?

[manbridge 74]

I don't remove oil line when doing 993s. I use a modified filter cup tool to break loose 2nd filter, then spin it off by hand.

[sand_man]

Originally Posted by flskala

Just did an oil change in my 993. It took about 3/4 hours with no lift. Most of the time is spent draining and refilling oil & removing the oil line (and drainage) in the way of the second oil filter.

Judging by the video above, I would rather do the 991 filter replacement any day - cleaner job too.

Isn't it fun??? I get faster and faster each time I do it! I sure miss the ease of changing oil in my 930!!!

[EMJ]

Hagerty's has my 88 3.2 coupe evaluated at $32,900 for its condition, but I've seen similar cars with 190k-plus on the clock with asking prices of $45,000 or more. I wonder if they actually sell for any where near that price.

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1988-Porsche-911-Carrera

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

Nah. Judging from the kids at my local Cars and Coffee the interest is alive and well. They are doing cars they can afford but most still ooh and aah at classic Porsches and other stuff that's beyond their means.

what he said. my 930 when I attend a cars and coffee has more young kids photoing it than you can imagine. love to see the enthusiasm.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by motion

I'm going to intervene here, before Denis goes all bloodbath on you.

The 2009 model is designated 997. If you're going to come onto a Porsche forum with your eyes rolling, you may want to make sure you have your Porsche facts straight first.

this too

[sc_rufctr]

The next question is: How high can they really go?

Or how long before a good early SC is over $100,000? How does $600,000+ for a desirable 356 sound?

It all seems so ridiculous and yet it's happening.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

Shhhhhush....we need to keep the ignorance flowing in Porsche online forums until I buy my $30k 991.

I've not driven a 991, and I certainly have not wrenched on one. But from everything I have seen and read they appear to be a GT car that is much larger than the 997 with much worse maintenance access, and much more complexity. I'm sure I'll eventually end up with one, so maybe I'll find that I'm totally wrong.

Modern cars are so good, I find myself craving experience more than performance. Any 911 from the last 25 years will get you into legal trouble very quickly, at some point the numbers become arbitrary. As I've posted on the affordable 996 thread, my favorite water cooled 911 thus far has been the 1999 996 C2. Lightweight, simple, raw, responsive. Every evolution from that point has been to make the car more comfortable, stable, quieter, and yes faster. But each evolution has cost the car some character, at least in my opinion. While I prefer the 997 styling, I find them somewhat boring in some ways.

[VincentVega]

I have very limited seat time in a 991 on track but it was unreal. No kidding video game simple, the damn pdk was invisible and it has tons of power. I'm coming from SC's, one fairly stock and one a good DE 3.6 car. It was night and day. Big car that just stuck to the track, if I drove the SC the same way I would be in the tire wall. Great fun, great GT car. No question it is easily seconds faster but like you said, much easier to drive at ~8/10.