Don't mess with this guy.... 3 dead... Homeowner ok.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by JavaBrewer

The last thing I want on my conscious is being responsible for someones death. If my/family life is in danger then I will act and it will be deadly. Anything else we're running.

I agree, because I suspect it would be a hard thing to get past. But I'm also not waiting around to determine the intentions of a home invader either.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I agree, because I suspect it would be a hard thing to get past. But I'm also not waiting around to determine the intentions of a home invader either.

Precisely. They did not smash their way through a window to talk about Jesus or sell girl scout cookies. They intended to do bad and illegal things. There is positively absolutely no reason at all for anyone to ever kick down my door or come through a window. Doing so will not end well.

[flipper35]

If someone were to break in with masks and any type of weapon, I can guess as to what their intentions are.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by flipper35

If someone were to break in with masks and any type of weapon, I can guess as to what their intentions are.

And a knife, and brass knuckles, and three of them.

[Adrian Thompson]

I know this is an emotional issue for all sides. People keep saying the Yahoo article is biased against guns and the guy who protected himself. I don’t' read it that way. It lists the 911 call that shows the guy was scared. What is anti-gun about it? I don't think calling it a 'make my day law' is somehow anti-gun. I don’t' get why people are upset about it?

Personally I don’t' own a gun. I've got nothing against guns and occasionally go to the range or out with a guy who lives on 10 acres to destroy paper baddies of tin cans. It's fun once in a while. But if I ever felt I was in a place that required gun ownership for protection I'd move out of that town/city/county/state/country as needed. That said from what the various article say, I have no issue with the 23 year old having shot the bad buys. I just feel really really bad for him that even though fully justified he’s going to have to live with the fact he killed three people, for that I feel very very sorry for him. I’d hate to be in his situation, even if for the totally right reasons. I am delighted that the woman in the getaway car is being charged with three counts of murder. That’s real justice.

[Evans, Marv]

I agree, but time will temper his feelings. I live in a rural area. Homes are spread apart from each other, and our crime problems are low. I think one reason for that is it's pretty common knowledge most people here are armed. Lots carry side arms under shirts and jackets while out and have weapons scattered around inside their houses. I realized that some years ago when a friend & I were going to do some work around the property starting early in the morning. I told him to just rap on my window if he didn't see any signs I was up & around. He told me no way would he do that, because he didn't want to take a chance on getting shot. We've actually had two deaths in the last five or so years from people trying to get inside residences. Both were shot to death.

[GH85Carrera]

I used to be one of the folks that did not understand having a gun at home.

Long long ago in the olden days when I was single and dating I had a new girlfriend over to spend the night. At about 2:00 AM someone was pounding on the door demanding to come in. I looked out the peephole and it was not the police, it was some large dude I did not know. My doberman was going nuts and making growling scary noises at the door. I had never heard her make those noises before. I guess the dude heard the barking and scary growling and decided he did not want dog bites and he left. That is when the new lady friend said, she knew him. They dated once and he thinks he is in love and stalks her. She said he was a creep and the one date was short and it was just dinner.

All I had was a butcher knife and a dog for defense. The dog did the trick but she has been dead for over 30 years and we have dachshunds now. My wife does not let me date other women so that situation is not going to happen again. But there are crazy people out there. And criminals. I hope to never meet one inside my house without my permission.

[Tobra]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would enter my home unless they were deaf so they could not hear the menacing barking from the other side of the door.

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

She may get life.

If you are committing an armed robbery, and someone dies, whether a victim or one of your partners, you get charged for their death. That is how it is, even in liberal Unicornia, where I currently reside.

If you are breaking into houses to steal, it is one thing if the house is vacant, totally different if someone is home. Threaten my property, meh, I can buy more. Come in like that when I am home, you are threatening my person. Come in like that and my wife is there and I am not, you are very likely going to die.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Adrian Thompson

I know this is an emotional issue for all sides. People keep saying the Yahoo article is biased against guns and the guy who protected himself. I don’t' read it that way. It lists the 911 call that shows the guy was scared. What is anti-gun about it? I don't think calling it a 'make my day law' is somehow anti-gun. I don’t' get why people are upset about it?

Personally I don’t' own a gun. I've got nothing against guns and occasionally go to the range or out with a guy who lives on 10 acres to destroy paper baddies of tin cans. It's fun once in a while. But if I ever felt I was in a place that required gun ownership for protection I'd move out of that town/city/county/state/country as needed. That said from what the various article say, I have no issue with the 23 year old having shot the bad buys. I just feel really really bad for him that even though fully justified he’s going to have to live with the fact he killed three people, for that I feel very very sorry for him. I’d hate to be in his situation, even if for the totally right reasons. I am delighted that the woman in the getaway car is being charged with three counts of murder. That’s real justice.

I think the biggest issue is that it is incorrect. They worded things for hype, not accuracy.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I don't think anyone in their right mind would enter my home unless they were deaf so they could not hear the menacing barking from the other side of the door.

If you are committing an armed robbery, and someone dies, whether a victim or one of your partners, you get charged for their death. That is how it is, even in liberal Unicornia, where I currently reside.

If you are breaking into houses to steal, it is one thing if the house is vacant, totally different if someone is home. Threaten my property, meh, I can buy more. Come in like that when I am home, you are threatening my person. Come in like that and my wife is there and I am not, you are very likely going to die.

She stayed in the car and did not enter the house. She is eligible for the death penalty. I bet she does not get the death penalty however, as a woman that was not armed and not violent. She was part of a felony conspiracy where her co-conspirators died in the commission of the felony. Personally I think she deserves the death penalty, she is a career thief. I just doubt the death penalty will be charged or the jury would convict under the death penalty.

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

She stayed in the car and did not enter the house. She is eligible for the death penalty. I bet she does not get the death penalty however, as a woman that was not armed and not violent. She was part of a felony conspiracy where her co-conspirators died in the commission of the felony. Personally I think she deserves the death penalty, she is a career thief. I just doubt the death penalty will be charged or the jury would convict under the death penalty.

I saw her news interview from jail. She said she was not alone in the car but would not identify who was with her.

[legion]

She also had no problem marching other people off to their deaths for her personal gain.

[Rickysa]

Here is an example where the shooter was in the wrong (imho):

A homeowner discovered a random man using his shower, prompting the homeowner to grab his firearm and shoot him. The homeowner is being charged with murder.

The homeowner, identified as 59-year-old Bruce Fanning, found 31-year-old Nathaniel Rosa in his Belfair, Wash. property on Saturday morning. Fanning owns two properties that are adjacent, his home and a house where he runs a business. The latter was where Rosa was.

Fanning shouted at Rosa to leave his property, then went back to his house, retrieved his gun, came back and shot Rosa four times through the shower curtains without warning. Fanning claimed that "he was afraid and thought the intruder was drunk," according to CBS News. Fanning called 911 after he shot Rosa.

He was subsequently arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

Mason County Sheriff's Chief Deputy Ryan Spurling told the New York Daily News that deadly force can be used to defend property owners if it's "necessary and reasonable."

"There's no duty to retreat, but at this point, the owner did retreat," Spurling told the Daily News. "Then he came back and reintroduced himself to the situation and shot. Based on what he knew at the time and what he told us, it didn't fit self-defense."

From: Daily Wire

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by GWN7

I saw her news interview from jail. She said she was not alone in the car but would not identify who was with her.

That is obstruction of justice, tack another felony on to the charges.

She lives out the rest of her life in prison, if it is up to me.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Tobra

That is obstruction of justice, tack another felony on to the charges.

She lives out the rest of her life in prison, if it is up to me.

She is facing life in prison already. I don't think an obstruction of justice charge will scare her much.

They should tell her if she ever wants to see here three kids again, she will give up the name.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by KC911

Legion....check
Higgins...check

You could count on me too. The facts I would need to know are:

1) Person defeated a lock or broke a window and then
2) Entered the house.

Fair game, I say.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by Adrian Thompson

I just feel really really bad for him that even though fully justified he’s going to have to live with the fact he killed three people....

He knows he was defending himself against three guys that for all he knew, were prepared to kill him in order to leave no witnesses to their crime.

If it hasn't already, that fact will far outweigh those deaths and enable him to live with what happened. He should be fine.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by Superman

You could count on me too. The facts I would need to know are:

1) Person defeated a lock or broke a window and then
2) Entered the house.

Fair game, I say.

Fact three/ naked.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by KC911

He'll be fine...as long as someone like me ends up on the jury

Sterling!

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by Rickysa

Here is an example where the shooter was in the wrong (imho):


From: Daily Wire

That's a local story, here -- I'm in Kitsap County, right next door. Apparently, the homeowner owned several adjacent properties, and the victim of the shooting was a resident of a nearby house. The prosecution is arguing that the showering individual was drunk, disoriented, and didn't realize they had gone into the wrong house.

Legally speaking, I can't imagine the homeowner will get away with this. The fact that he found the person showering, left, came back with the gun, and shot them naked in the shower is really telling. Calling the police to come and deal with the situation would have made a lot more sense.