UFOs and Nukes"

[rumlyne]

This is to good not to be on the comedy channel, I mean PARF.
PARF has been to boring lately. Needs more god threads for balance.

I'll try. This is for that sammy thing.

In my 66 yrs on this rock I've seen about the same evidence for UFO's
as I have for any sort of GODs.

Kinda entertaining when you have people who are so deluded they
can believe in something so strongly with no HARD evidence yet
disbelieve in things they don't want to with the same amount of
evidence.

People have been seeing gods and ufos since there have been people.

read ya in parf

carry on

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by rumlyne

This is to good not to be on the comedy channel, I mean PARF.
PARF has been to boring lately. Needs more god threads for balance.

I'll try. This is for that sammy thing.

In my 66 yrs on this rock I've seen about the same evidence for UFO's
as I have for any sort of GODs.

Kinda entertaining when you have people who are so deluded they
can believe in something so strongly with no HARD evidence yet
disbelieve in things they don't want to with the same amount of
evidence.

People have been seeing gods and ufos since there have been people.

read ya in parf

carry on

stupidass.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Compartmentalization. If your dad didn't have need to know, he would've never heard about it.

Of course there were those looking for attention. But not all.

Did you listen to the testimony of the mortician or not?



I've known about Mogul for a long time. This wasn't Mogul.

Just watch that mortician testimony video. Can you truthfully tell me that guy is blowing smoke?

Like your father, most men from that time period were not BSers and attention seekers. They were men who had just gone through WWII and were decidedly non-BSers.

Don't let recent decades' idiot fame-seekers color your opinion of all those great men of that time.

Yes, the mortician was saying something that was not true. Maybe he wasn't lying, he could be confused or misinterpreting what he saw or heard or has inadvertently created false memories.
Maybe he's been telling the same BS story so long he has become real to him.
That make more sense than the alternative.

It was mogul.

[Rickysa]

yet the first thing they do is try to sell you a DVD.

Greer is off-putting, no doubt...It's the testimonies that are of value.

Of course there is a lot of BS flying around, but I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are some compelling stories from reputable people.

I find the topic interesting.

[sc_rufctr]

Yes he announces it's "free" then he asks you to contribute to the next project through crowd funding!

We're alone or other intelligent life is so far away we'll never meet or know about them so it's the same as being alone.
The way I look at things. Our world is incredibly rare so we should value it and the life it supports a lot more than we do.

[Rickysa]

other intelligent life is so far away

I think this is one of the things like the "leeches, heart surgery, heart replacement" analogy mentioned earlier, and we may be close to making a jump in science:

… [it] is shown how, within the framework of general relativity and without the introduction of wormholes, it is possible to modify a spacetime in a way that allows a spaceship to travel with an arbitrarily large speed. By a purely local expansion of spacetime behind the spaceship and an opposite contraction in front of it, motion faster than the speed of light as seen by observers outside the disturbed region is possible. The resulting distortion is reminiscent of the ‘warp drive’ of science fiction.

NASA Actually Working on Faster-than-Light Warp Drive | TIME.com

[Rickysa]

[Heel n Toe]

Excerpted from GOVERNMENT UFO LIES
An Illustrated Lecture
MUFON 2005
May 2005
by Stanton T. Friedman

LIES about the recovery of a crashed flying saucer near Roswell, New Mexico, in July, 1947, have gone on for fifty-eight years. Evening newspapers across the USA from Chicago west on July 8, 1947, carried front page headlines stating that the government had recovered a flying saucer on a ranch outside Roswell. That the cover-up went into effect quickly is shown by the full-width front page headlines later that same day in the Los Angeles Herald Express “Army Finds Flying Saucer.” In smaller print on the next line the LIE was in place: “General Believes it is Radar Weather Gadget.” Earlier, newspapers east of California only had the “finds saucer” story. Within just a few hours of the press release from Roswell announcing the find, Brigadier General Roger Ramey, then Commander of the Eighth Air Force based at Ft. Worth Air Field in Texas was LYING to the press and the public that it was just a radar reflector balloon combination. Pictures were taken in his office showing phony wreckage not matching at all the description given by Major Jesse Marcel who had retrieved a small part of the wreckage located by rancher Mack Brazel “last week” according to all the July 8 stories. Ramey really had chutzpah since he was holding a folded piece of paper in his hand with printing on it that Dr. David Rudiak has deciphered including such phrases as “victims of the wreck.”

The Army Air Force solidified the weather balloon radar gadget explanatory LIE with the launching of such a device for the press over at Alamogordo Army Air Field on July 9. The full-width July 10 front page headline of the Alamogordo News, with three related pictures, was “Fantasy of ‘Flying Disc’ Explained Here.” There was a 24-column-inch front page article. It was accepted, though it was perfectly obvious that the weather balloons could not explain all the sightings of high speed objects such as those observed by Kenneth Arnold on June 24.

It took until 1994 for the USAF to make a preemptive strike against the GAO, searching for Roswell information for congressman Steven Schiff, by finally admitting that they had LIED about the weather balloon explanation. They LIED again to do it, now falsely, in a two-inch-thick volume The Roswell Report: Truth vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert (Ref. 2 ) by USAF Colonel Richard Weaver (he provided the fiction). He claimed that the Roswell wreckage had been a super secret Mogul balloon train found on June 14, 1947, by rancher Brazel. In the first place, June 14 is hardly “last week” from July 8. In the second place, the characteristics of the wreckage described by witnesses don’t match Mogul balloons. For the latter the paper-backed foil could easily be torn, the balsa wood sticks were easily broken, cut, and burned. The I-beams described by Jesse Marcel could not be broken, cut or burned. In the third place, it was claimed that the unusual symbols described by people like Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. were from a toy manufacturer’s tape used to hold the radar targets together. Isn’t it amazing that the Air Force has not been able to show a picture of any such tape nor are such symbols visible in the high-resolution photos taken in Ramey’s office?

In the fourth place, USAF Colonel Richard Weaver, a disinformation specialist, in his huge, grossly misleading report (Ref. 2) carried a LIE by Counter Intelligence officer Colonel Sheridan W. Cavitt claiming “The area of this debris was very small about 20 feet square and the material was spread on the ground, but there was no gouge or crater or other obvious sign of impact. I remember recognizing this material as being consistent with a weather balloon. We gathered up some of this material which would easily fit into one vehicle.” Cavitt also LIED in saying that he had not met the rancher. The only way he and Jesse Marcel could have found the crash site would have been to follow the rancher out. Jesse indicated that Brazel had given them a can of beans and they stayed overnight in their sleeping bags. Considering that a Mogul balloon train consists of 20-25 standard neoprene weather balloons tied with string at twenty-foot intervals, with ballast packs, sonobuoys and radio transmitters, and stretched over 500 feet, it would have been impossible to fit such a pack in one vehicle. If Cavitt’s description had been accurate, there would have been absolutely no reason for Marcel and Cavitt to follow the rancher out, much of the trip cross country at that. The debris would all have fit in Brazel’s pick-up truck and would have all been left in town. The reason Marcel went out to the ranch was because there was nothing conventional in what Brazel brought in and because Brazel had indicated that the wreckage had covered an area hundreds of feet wide and three quarters of a mile long, and his sheep wouldn’t cross the debris field. Remember that Brazel had recovered weather balloons before and also had first heard on July 5 in Corona about flying saucers and a reward for recovery of one. It is interesting indeed that Weaver also quoted heavily from the Roswell Daily Record of July 9 with the new story for Brazel (“Harassed Rancher who Located ‘Saucer’ Sorry He Told About It”), but left out the final comment “I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon.”

Weaver also left out the comment in the article that the debris covered an area 200 yards in diameter or 1000 times greater than that stated by Cavitt. Nobody mentioned that neoprene balloons left in the hot dry air of New Mexico turn to dust in a couple of weeks. In the fifth place, the many Air Force claims about how classified Mogul was were LIES. Results that showed they had picked up sound waves from a Soviet nuclear explosion with their constant altitude balloon train would indeed have been TOP SECRET. But the equipment was standard conventional balloons, sonobuoys, etc. Some launches were allowed to just come down in the desert, no chase planes, no ground crew following. The guys cleared to work on it were cleared through Confidential according to a June 1946 memo at the National Archives.

Stanton Friedman - Articles: Government UFO Lies (1)

[GH85Carrera]

Quoting a MUFON article is like quoting an article from the creationist museum in Kentucky with the dinosaurs and humans side by side. Next you can quote some Huffington Post polls. Those are know to be really accurate.

[Khal]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

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There is not even the slightest hint of evidence of extraterrestrials that have visited earth. Governments can't keep anything secret that long, heck they can't keep anything secret very long.

One of my buddies who's way smarter than me that works at Telsa said this topic comes up around there often to debate. He claims he can explain all of this stuff. It makes sense if you're bat**** smart and crazy like he is.

According to him the easiest way to explain it all is close to what is happening in the film Dark City, where a super group runs the city and can stop time and fix things, fix mistakes and screw ups.

So Allen splains as the following. The reason there is very little if any hard evidence is the aliens clean up their mistakes all the time. According to him we are living in a computer simulation that is run by the greys. This explains in his mind how alien abduction takes place because the aliens simply can stop the machine and take control of the subjects (people). They can also go back in time and fix mistakes and they are running a simulation of Earth to see why we blew ourself up millions of years ago.

So his theory combines Aliens, UFOs and the Matrix wrapped into one.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by Khal

The reason there is very little if any hard evidence is the aliens clean up their mistakes all the time. According to him we are living in a computer simulation that is run by the greys. This explains in his mind how alien abduction takes place because the aliens simply can stop the machine and take control of the subjects (people). They can also go back in time and fix mistakes and they are running a simulation of Earth to see why we blew ourself up millions of years ago.

That sounds reasonable...

[Khal]

Originally Posted by rcooled

That sounds reasonable...

He says while it seems for us in real time for the aliens this entire simulation would only take them a split second. They'd run hundreds of thousands of 'what if this were to happen' then run the simulation again and instantly see the outcome that would be 99.9% accurate. I asked him how they'd know its so accurate?

Allens said just run the same simulation over and over and get pretty much the same ending.

Makes sense

I guess this also can explain how Cosby ended up a rapist, Bruce Jenner a chick, Trump is president and other things that make little to no sense. Its that damn simulation those stupid aliens are testing on us!

Allen says this is also one of the top theory Elon Musk also believes in.

Elon Musk: The chance we are not living in a computer simulation is 'one in billions' | The Independent

[RKDinOKC]

Thought Earth was actually a computer created for pan dimensional beings to come up with the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything to which the answer is 42.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

Thought Earth was actually a computer created for pan dimensional beings to come up with the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything to which the answer is 42.

Shhhhh! That information is only for the illuminati!!!!

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Quoting a MUFON article is like...

That's not "quoting a MUFON article," Glen. That's an excerpt from a 2005 presentation by Dr. Stanton Friedman, a retired nuclear physicist who has been investigating this subject for a long time. He's not just some wild-eyed quack... he comes at the subject with a very well developed sense of scientific critical thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman