When outlaws are no longer outre, whats next?

[ChrisHoover]

I love the no f’n way comments. I bet Emory felt it from folks when he was creating the original outlaws. I totally respect the attitude. Rock on brothers. I think the genie is out of the bottle though. In 20 years we could end up with 4 types, OG and pure, outlaw and loving it, racing, and EV. It will be a big tent

[AG81]

^
I am thinking Chris is on to something. Makes sense.

[Rosco_NZ]

I studied electrical engineering and yet my stomach churns at the sight. I don’t care how fast or efficient or whatever else. It’s just wrong.

[NYNick]

As I get older I contemplate possessions and what will happen to them when I'm gone. I look around and get somewhat overwhelmed by all the "stuff" I have, cars included. Is it responsible to leave getting rid of it all to my wife or kids?

I've thought about this as it relates to gas powered cars and whether they will hold their value in the 'short' enough term for me or my heirs to dispose of them intelligently and without losing money. Personally, I think it's irresponsible of me to leave all these marketplace decisions to them. Why should it be their problem?

Electric cars are here to stay, at least for the next wave of transportation before somebody comes up with a better idea. Buggy whips are history, as will be our beloved internal combustion engines, probably in my lifetime.

I for one will be selling mine. Hopefully I can time the market appropriately to enjoy them as long as I can.

[mickey356]

I'd do it in a heartbeat if I had the $50K. Someone here already said, that is the ultimate hot rodding, and I agree. EVERYTHING that is being done has been done, and this is the natural evolution of things.
I hated the sound of the new F1 cars when they switched to 'hybrid' power, now I hardly notice.
It's not to say I don't have preferences but how can anyone argue with 520hp and 4500 ft/lb?

I'll be more curious to see what the unintended consequences of electric power batteries have. Back when cars first came along people we happy because there was less horse $%!# in the streets

[porsche930dude]

Yeah its kinda like putting an electric motor in an old steam engine. It might work a hell of alot better but who cares you took away the best part

[piscator]

All I know about electric cars is that they have batteries, so I hope you'll excuse my ignorant question, to wit:

Can an electric motor power a race car effectively? How far away are we from a point where a racing team might choose an electric motor over internal combustion based on performance alone?

From some of the comments in this thread, it sounds like we're pretty close -- 'the obvious next step' as someone put it. Is this true? Are performance cars about to go electric on the basis of performance and NOT because electric cars are 'outre'?

[Speed metal]

I love it all.. EV is sooo new and inherently soulless in the sound, smell department that its out for me despite the wicked power(And it kicks some ass)
I love a beater with a big engine and some great suspension.. LOud fast Rules still in my book

[RSBob]

In order to cut emissions and be more “green” I added a new hi-flow cat. And when I step on it, boy does it scream. Now I need to work on an unknown cooling restriction.

The moral to the story, you can cut emissions and mice, with a hot rod. Good luck EVs.

[msort81]

Originally Posted by NYNick

Electric cars are here to stay, at least for the next wave of transportation before somebody comes up with a better idea. Buggy whips are history, as will be our beloved internal combustion engines, probably in my lifetime.
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Sad but true. Climate science says we have 15 years before we reach the precipice. Minus the next 18 months we have 13.5 years. In that time there will need to be a quantum shift in terms of how we and our Govt apply ourselves to the problem but it's simply a question of what kind of a world we want leave our children. I for one don't want my kids enduring freak Weather, eating GM food grown in factories on the melted Siberian tundra because we couldn't find a way to change things. Everything else has evolved, its time the energy companies did too. In a sense it's our great struggle except this time we are fighting an existential foe instead of charging up beaches.

I would switch to an electric setup and enjoy the car in a new way, with a new series of challenges, and hopefully still be learning new skills and finding out about how to improve my 'clean' Porsche from this forum.

[stanglife]

Originally Posted by da Vinci Dan

My opinion is outlaws are well into the passé phase and feel badly for those in the middle of builds. I’m totally over them and think the market for them is getting worse. Most of them look like someone just bolted on a bunch of aftermarket Chinese made crap... same stuff over and over again. But, to each their own. Personally I would like more of them to be kept as original as possible even if they are beat up. Some look like people spent a fortune trying for a Singer wannabe that never really worked. It’s your money.

That being said I hope for more rat rodish influences being established on older original examples.

You feel bad for those who are building a car the way they want it? Why - because that's not what you would do? Cars built right, hotrods or not are nice cars, IMO. If something is half-assed, it's not so nice..and I guess not so valuable, since you seem to indicate that's the #1 thing someone should have in mind when building a car.

[Adam Reed]

I've been part of a very well-done VW bus electric conversion project here in Ashland, Oregon. The bus is a joy to ride in. But with $20,000 worth of Lithium batteries in it, the range is only around 100 miles on flat ground. And that sucker is HEAVY.

With any currently available battery tech you're going to still have two major problems: First, same as all Teslas, the batteries are heavy. That means the car is going to handle like a pig. TERRIBLE thing to do to a Porsche, especially a vintage one. Second, the range limitation is a challenge, considering it's going to take quite a while to recharge the batteries every time the charge goes low.
You will have a car that accelerates like a rocket, but the more fun you have spinning the tires, the shorter the time battery charge lasts, and the more time you spend with it stationary at the charging station.

For me, the compromises were just not worth it. I considered doing the conversion to my '66 912 beater, but ultimately it was an easy choice to stick with my 2.2 Liter Type 4 motor.

Adam912.Out
'66 912, 495K miles. S suspension, 2.2 Litres of Type 4 Goodness.
S quickness, 912 lightness and balance!

[adias]

The inevitability of vehicle electrification is a fool's errand.

[RarlyL8]

Sad but true. Climate science says we have 15 years before we reach the precipice. Minus the next 18 months we have 13.5 years. In that time there will need to be a quantum shift in terms of how we and our Govt apply ourselves to the problem but it's simply a question of what kind of a world we want leave our children. I for one don't want my kids enduring freak Weather, eating GM food grown in factories on the melted Siberian tundra because we couldn't find a way to change things. Everything else has evolved, its time the energy companies did too. In a sense it's our great struggle except this time we are fighting an existential foe instead of charging up beaches.

We're just trading one form of pollution for another and kicking it overseas. Ever been to a battery plant and seen how these things are made? Or how they are disposed of? The strip mine where the base materials are harvested? Now multiply that by the volume needed to replace every car on the planet. Battery plants will likely reside in places like China or Mexico where the pollution laws are relaxed. I don't remember being asked if I wanted to buy an electric car and forfeit my gas burner. Internal combustion efficiency is improving every day. We're being forced into this by people who stand to make a bunch of money off it.

[_baudett]

We liked the idea a lot.

[msort81]

"We're being forced into this by people who stand to make a bunch of money off it."

We are also being forced to keep internal combustion by energy companies who continue to make staggering amounts of money from it.

No doubt battery production is bad for the earth, but it's not directly affecting the global weather system. Emissions are. So whether you, the current administration or all of us who love these cars like it or not, climate change is an emergency that's about our children and their children's lives.

Hopefully we get an administration that can see and understand serious problems through a longer term humanist lens versus the current narcissistic short term greedy one, and will push legislation that forces fossil fuel energy companies to put profits into the research thats desperately needed.

[manbridge 74]

Nice religion you have. Take it to PARF please....

[adias]

For those interested in real science - https://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html

Temperature increases precede rises in atmospheric CO2 not the other way around.

[rennch]

I think the trend is going to follow the aircooled VW trend, who are a few years ahead of us as far as swapping/engineering goes. I think we (as an industry/hobby/etc) have this attitude that our "shiz don't stink", so we can ask *exorbitant* prices for things that are sometimes 10x cheaper with an aircooled VW VIN.

Personally, a bone-stock 69S (or T, or whatever) is nice...but kinda boring. I like the hot rods, and I like the innovation of people doing electric or high HP Subie (insert foreshadowing music here...) swaps. I like the creativity, the engineering, etc...

that said...if it's a matching numbers car, I don't think it should be screwed with. But if it's already been severely modified, or is a rustbucket, and someone brings it back from the grave, I say "have at it!".

If you agree...I might humbly suggest you check out my YouTube channel in the next few weeks. :P

[msort81]

Originally Posted by adias

For those interested in real science - https://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html

Temperature increases precede rises in atmospheric CO2 not the other way around.

This headed to PARF so i will bow out. But you really should get some contemporary data. 2003 was 16 years ago. Less than the time we have before we approach +2c
https://climate.nasa.gov/

Things change fast.