25 Pictures of 1 Crash (High Speed Connections Only)

[BlackTalon]

must be the wine talking... :-)

[TD in DC]

Originally posted by BlackTalon
must be the wine talking... :-)

[Jack Olsen]

This isn't a great map, but it's turn 11, near where it says Guest Services.

[BlackTalon]

Can you provide any insight into what happened prior to where the photos start?

[Jack Olsen]

It's a straighforward braking zone. To get the exit right, you have to go very deep into it, heading straight toward the tires, then rotate the car so you can hit a late apex on your way out. My problem was very simple: I started braking way too late.

[TD in DC]

Thanks for the map and the explanation. I bet your in-car video is "hair raising."

[nostatic]

it is little consolation, but I almost overcooked that corner a number of times...and I wasn't carrying near the speed that Jack was. It is sneaky, I think in part due to the color of the tire wall and the area behind the wall that you see in your peripheral vision.

[edward993]

Sorry, nothing to add here ...just comments.

Very interesting thread! From the beginning of this thread, I refrained from asking the obvious (because of my intermediate driving skill) and waited until it was asked and responded to: i.e. the "apparent" lack of steering correction and "obvious" locking up straight toward the tires. Glad it was answered in clear, measured responses. Makes great sense ...Thanks Ted and Jack! I will add that to my driver's tool kit.

And also to Jack, I appreciate your candor in the pics and the posts, especially since you offered me kind words of consolation not too long ago when I had posted my off at T9 at Big Willow. Since I have no reputation to defend (on the track or off ), I have no ego and so am always willing to hear constructive criticism on my driving ...all in the desire to be a better driver. Hope to meet you in person at the track one day! ...no man crush here LOL!!!

Peace all!

Edward

[JasonAndreas]

Originally posted by nostatic
it is little consolation, but I almost overcooked that corner a number of times...and I wasn't carrying near the speed that Jack was.

back in 1996ish during the IMSA race a 993 had a complete brake failure going into turn 11, carrying nearly the same speed. The car went completely through the concrete barrier that was hiding behind the tires (I think the car went in at a weird angle and "between" the tires). If I remember correctly the driver lucked out with only a broken leg?

[TD in DC]

Ya know, this Porsche Bob/Jack Olsen thing is really bizarre. The more I think about it, the more I am puzzled, and the possibilities are endless.

Both are pretty good writers . . . which leads me to wonder: Jack, did you create Porsche Bob in order to get control of the rampant man crush phenomena of which you appear to be the object? If you did, that is pretty clever indeed. You might even be able to write a script about it.

On the other hand, you might inadvertently increase your stature by maintaining class, grace and dignity in the way you respond to Porsche Bob, which would cause the strategy to backfire.

In any event, it is pretty entertaining. You don't see this type of thing at the other boards I have visited. Cheers!

[Winterfarm]

Man crush. That's funny. And true at the same time. Sometimes real life is funnier than fiction and it just takes a sharp mind with the insight to spot it. Two thumbs up to you, TD, for your insightful wit.

[Winterfarm]

Originally posted by TD in DC
Ya know, this Porsche Bob/Jack Olsen thing is really bizarre. The more I think about it, the more I am puzzled, and the possibilities are endless.

Both are pretty good writers . . . which leads me to wonder: Jack, did you create Porsche Bob in order to get control of the rampant man crush phenomena of which you appear to be the object? If you did, that is pretty clever indeed. You might even be able to write a script about it.

On the other hand, you might inadvertently increase your stature by maintaining class, grace and dignity in the way you respond to Porsche Bob, which would cause the strategy to backfire.

In any event, it is pretty entertaining. You don't see this type of thing at the other boards I have visited. Cheers!

The more I consider this idea, TD, I realize you may be onto somthing. Think about it, what it must be like, no matter what you say or do, the response is always, "Oh Mr. Olsen, you're so right, as always. Oh Jack, you have so much class, nobody can slide into a wall with as much class as you, even your crap has class, I want to frame it...." Imagine how cloyingly crushing it would become. So he creates an alterego nemesis in the guise of Porshe Bob just so somebody will challenge him once in a while, in hopes that others may realize he isn't made of teflon after all and they'll let him down off the pedestal they've stuck him on. How brilliant. How altruistic. How wonderfully heroic. No wonder he is so loved.

[Dantilla]

I have been simply watching from the sidelines, but have put a bit of thought into this. What it comes down to, for me, is that-

Jack Olsen has earned my respect.

Several people here have way more knowledge than I about all things Porsche, and share it freely. It's not about post count, but what those posts have contained.

Would I have dared stuff a 3.2 into a 1973 body without the help recieved here? Don't know for sure, but this place has helped greatly. To have access to input from guys like Jack, Warren, John Walker et al, is valuable to me, and these guys, and many others, have simply earned respect because of their contributions. Hopefully some of my posts have helped others in the same way.

When a "newbie" comes along and starts poo-pooing the people that have earned respect, What results should we expect?

-That the lemmings all disregard all that has gone on before, and agree that Jack is now the king of poo?

-That a guy who does not have a history of contributing technical information is automatically entitled to the same level of respect as those mentioned above?

-Or maybe, just maybe, he does not feel respected for some unknown reason?

Let's see.... I'll have to put some more thought into this and get back to you.

[patkeefe]

Well, at least we all have that Christmas spirit working pretty well now.

Hark, the herald angels sing...

[byndbad914]

or is that Holiday spirit, I can't tell anymore... what is it? Happy Hanuchrismaquansica?

[Eli K]

[i]

Let's see.... I'll have to put some more thought into this and get back to you. [/B]

Yes, please do. How does the amount of posts equate to one's worth???

[ted]

Originally posted by Eli K
Yes, please do. How does the amount of posts equate to one's worth???

Well inversely I would suggest when questionable the low count less than 10 or 20 might be trolls or snipes. Higher count #s can suggest user creditability when confirmed by thread content.

[jeffgrant]

Originally posted by Eli K
Yes, please do. How does the amount of posts equate to one's worth???

It doesn't. In an on-line community, one's relative "worth" is a personal thing to be interpreted by the end-user, and is generally very subjective, usually determined by a combination of the quality and number of posts.

Someone, like Jack, who has submitted a large number of (subjectively) high-quality posts, will generally have a higher "worth" than someone like PB, who has submitted a very low number of (subjectively) meaningless posts. Someone who has submitted a large number posts can still be of low worth, if the vast majority of those posts are subjectively worthless.

Too many people have an over-inflated sense of self-entitlement... just because you sign up for an account in a free forum, don't expect or demand to be taken the same way as someone who's put in their time and has contributed to that forum.

If you want "in" to the "upper ranks", earn it.

Otherwise, deal with it.

Just because it's a virtual world doesn't mean that a lot of "meatspace" rules don't apply.

$0.02

[Dantilla]

Originally posted by Dantilla
It's not about post count, but what those posts have contained.

Quality. Not quantity.

[Winterfarm]

[i]
If you want "in" to the "upper ranks", earn it.

Otherwise, deal with it.
[/B]

9 page thread and it seems a large amount of the technical input is coming from newbs, e.g., TD and PB. Most of this thread is sniping, preaching, philosophying, fluffy or just funny. Maybe the newbs are earning it. Maybe a knee-jerk aversion to newbs is out of order. Otherwise, make it a private board.