What does SC stand for?

[sancho]

Hi I just thought to say hello, since it's my first reply, have been reading the forum for a while, and what better time to join in than when my favourite model being discussed, YES I HAVE A 1980 SC TARGA........go on I am ready for the comments,,,

nice to be a part of this fantastic forum,,keep it up

[calling911]

Originally Posted by Won

It's straight from the Porsche website. Some point out that there were no official documents calling it a Super Carrera until recently, such as this page, and that Porsche sorta "made up" the name after the fact.

http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/classic/world/models/roadvehicles/1978-911/

Man, I cant believe I didnt know about this website.. how cool. Its like a free porsche guide. thanks.

[ToddM]

Right and if you believe what comens out of Porsche AG these days, the 996/997 is a "911"

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by milt

proved this beyond speculation. Consider this, what does the L stand for on the 911L?

I thought it was for Luxe.
Wasn't a more luxurious version of the 911 only produced for 1 year? (1968)


A quick google search revealed this... (gets confusing)

The 911 L was only produced in 1968. The L stood for "Late" (as in late model). The 911 L had the same 130 horsepower as the regular 911. It was also the most expensive of the 911s, since the 911S was not available in the US in 1968.

There were only 449 cars builts with this designation and they all have production dates well after October 1967. This is contributed to engineering & mechanical failures (specifically, the front suspension and transmission). The engineers in Stuttgart, Germany, re-engineered the problem areas and built the remaining 449 cars and subsequently released them for sale (Thank you to James M. Wallace for the pictures and Marc Griesenbrock for the historical background).




and some further searching says this....


The US 1968 911L's had quite an interesting history. 1968 was a year that Porsche refused to export the legendary 911S due to US smog laws. In it's place, they exported a standard 911, as the entry level model and a 911L as the "lexus" or luxury model replacement for the 911S . The car was essentially a 911S without the 911S 170+hp motor. Interestingly enough, the chassis numbers for US 911Ls are actually 911S chassis numbers. This is confirmed in Porsche documentation. And when looking specifically for 911L models you will find that the chassis numbers listed in most books are confusing. Porsche refers to the chassis numbers on "standard" 68' 911 models as "911L US" coupe and targa even though they are not "L" models. For the powerplant, the 911L was given a 130hp 2.0L flat-6 motor with Weber 40IDA carbs, EGR and smog pump (Delco, GM) that was run from a pulley on the left camshaft. The left chaincover was modified to allow for the smog pulley much the way the early solex fuel pumps were placed on the first 901s. It is unique in that it is the only 911 engine with this "feature". Of course, the joke back then used to be that the car ran better and passed the smog tests with the pump off! This is the biggest reason why most 68' models had their engines replaced or highly modified at some point in their lifetime. Mechanics just couldn't get the smog and EGR systems working well and so they would just throw up their hands and often install a later model motor that ran better or just comletely removed all the smog gear. Some interesting touches that make 68's unique are things like side marker lights at all 4 corners (this car had them removed). They were last minute installs mandated by US DOT regulations as the cars were imported to the US. 68's also had a very unique door panel design and interesting 2 piece dash that only existed for that year. The "elephant hide" embossed vinyl, offered on the 911L as an option, is another very rare feature as it was never offered on any other 911.




So this is indeed confusing...

[TRE Cup]

68 911S ROW also had the elephant hide vinyl on the door panels, aluminum trim instead of the heavier chrome plated brass window frames, and a thin aluminum strip on the arm pads (doors) and the rear finisher strips below the quarter windows.

so basically they took 68 S's , tossed in the "smogged" T engine with webers, and sold it to the usa

L's and S's that have passed thru our hands (original ones, not modified) have had the same trim details that i posted here

[Milu]

Originally Posted by ToddM

Right and if you believe what comens out of Porsche AG these days, the 996/997 is a "911"

I really like the latest 997, but it has as much to do with a 911 as a 911 has to do with 356.

[RWebb]

so... shall we set up a betting pool on how long this thread runs for?

one advantage is that might prevent a new thread on exactly the same issue....


BTW - IIRC, Frere says L = Luxe -- I'd trust him way more than a random web site.

And.. since html was invented in ~~1994, no web page could possibly date back to the 1980s -- tho, the content could...

[rattlsnak]

It doesnt matter when the 'website' was published. Its not hearsay, it's on the official Porsche site. I think they know a little more about it than you guys do, and *might* have access to insider knowledge. Whether it was public knowledge back then or not doesnt matter, it's official now..

Put it to rest.... Geez, the jealousy of this board is amazing,..

And 'S' has always been a designator for Sport or Spielart

[Isabo]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

It doesnt matter when the 'website' was published. Its not hearsay, it's on the official Porsche site. I think they know a little more about it than you guys do, and *might* have access to insider knowledge. Whether it was public knowledge back then or not doesnt matter, it's official now..

I see. So some dingbat clerk puts it on "the website" and it's become official. Sorry, not convinced.

[slw911SC]

Dingbat? I didn't see Edith Bunker's name on here anywhere? Hey, let's see some pics. of Jimmy the Mini. Then, those of us who know, can let YOU know if he's an SC!

[pozee]

Porsche Panorama - November 2008 Issue....

Page 67. Second Paragraph. Line 6...

"When the 3.0 liter 911SC was introduced in 1978 with its aluminum engine, some observers thought that the name, 911SC, designated a "Super Carrera," but factory people indicated it was only a transitional model designation, not an acronym, even though all the 911SCs had the Carrera body."

[Isabo]

Originally Posted by slw911SC

Dingbat? I didn't see Edith Bunker's name on here anywhere?

Edith Bunker?

Originally Posted by slw911SC

Hey, let's see some pics. of Jimmy the Mini. Then, those of us who know, can let YOU know if he's an SC!

Those of you who know WHAT? Sorry if I'm a little obtuse but I don't follow. I do have a mini I call Jimmy and an SC powered 911E but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

[RWebb]

Unless Ferry posted it on the web site it is not real.

Even if it is "official."

Who will join me in deluging Porsche AG with letters on this pressing matter?

[Scott at Pelican Parts]

Originally Posted by RWebb

BTW - IIRC, Frere says L = Luxe -- I'd trust him way more than a random web site.

Ludvigsen says L = Luxe in his excellent "Excellence was Expected".

[CROWSC]

I think that I will wait about 6 months and post this one again.
like a good friend of Obama (who wasn't mentioned during the election)
once said, WHY CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG.

[Head416]

Originally Posted by sancho

Hi I just thought to say hello, since it's my first reply, have been reading the forum for a while, and what better time to join in than when my favourite model being discussed, YES I HAVE A 1980 SC TARGA........go on I am ready for the comments,,,nice to be a part of this fantastic forum,,keep it up

1. There's nothing better than a 911SC Targa!
2. I don't care what SC stands for, they're Super!
3. If you don't post an intro thread with gratuitous pictures of your ride, you're open for all sorts of abuse. (Bunch of picture junkies around here.)

[Milu]

Originally Posted by CROWSC

I think that I will wait about 6 months and post this one again.

WHY?

The reaction to the question was much milder than usual. I suppose it's the post election anticlimax that has left many posters restrained.

[70SWT]

Originally Posted by RWebb

BTW - IIRC, Frere says L = Luxe -- I'd trust him way more than a random web site.

+1

That's what I have always heard. IIRC it was called the 911Lux in ROW markets.

[Monza_dh]

Boy I'm glad I have just a plain ol' Carrera!! no confusion there!!

Oh wait, I have a "badge delete" option so is it really a Carrera then?????

[ToddM]

Originally Posted by Monza_dh

Boy I'm glad I have just a plain ol' Carrera!! no confusion there!!

Oh wait, I have a "badge delete" option so is it really a Carrera then?????

Right, you have a nothing. Not sure what youre really doing posting on the 911 forum.