New Grille! Comments Please!

[john walker's workshop]

nope.

[gruppe6designs]

Good try, always like to see new ideas but it doesn't work for me. Louvre's are generally used in in unvented sheet metal areas. Additional venting.
Placing a louvre'd plate in an already screen vented area is simply a 'look' and doesn't do anything 'purposeful'....louvre's are by their nature purposeful so there is no balance to it.
Now if you sold louver'd rear decks with original screens then you'd have a product.

Have you never seen 356's with louvres on the rear deck lid ? No purpose or function, just a look ? Why would Porsche race them with a louvered deck lid ?

The forward facing louvres grab the air rather than just dissipate it, function we think.

We will be getting everyone data regarding engine temp's over the next day or so. So far everything in normal temp range down here in sunny Florida.

[RWebb]

I think McLovin was overly positive about that grill. Sorry to rain on your parade...

Just look at the void space compared with a stock grill.

To assess function, you first have to understand flow phenomena...

[gruppe6designs]

By the way we will be offering different louvre patterns, louvre sizes and will also be offering a cut out in the center with stainless wire mesh underneath, which will allow even more air into the motor.

Yes, this is a period look and definitely for hot rods but when painted in the color of your car it may look and fit the aesthetic's of your car more than you may think.

Keep the comments coming but try no to be rude.

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by gruppe6designs

Have you never seen 356's with louvres on the rear deck lid ? No purpose or function, just a look ? Why would Porsche race them with a louvered deck lid ?

The forward facing louvres grab the air rather than just dissipate it, function we think.

We will be getting everyone data regarding engine temp's over the next day or so. So far everything in normal temp range down here in sunny Florida.

That was my point....they had the normal screened vent above and the louvre's below...that makes sense. Louvreing a piece of sheet metal and placing it in the location of the screen makes no sense.
Try a re read.

[Flat Six]

Originally Posted by gruppe6designs

Have you never seen 356's with louvres on the rear deck lid ? No purpose or function, just a look ? Why would Porsche race them with a louvered deck lid ?

The forward facing louvres grab the air rather than just dissipate it, function we think.

We will be getting everyone data regarding engine temp's over the next day or so. So far everything in normal temp range down here in sunny Florida.

Dude, you're missing (or ignoring) Reiver's point. Louvres in addition to grille = potential benefit of added air flow. And if done carefully and tastefully -- insert pic of any one of Magnus Walker's machines here -- look great, too. Louvres instead of existing grill are -- at best -- cosmetic change, hence many comments on appearance.

Easy enough to test -- if decklid with your grille flows > 12.5K cfm then you're probably okay.

Sounds to me like you're being a little too defensive . . . nobody likes to hear their baby called ugly, but if you're going to post here and ask for feedback then you're going to get honest, candid, thoughtful, and detailed feedback.

You may not like what you hear but if you're truly serious about delivering any kind of superior product or service you'll learn that candid critique is priceless -- see catuck's comments re: complex curves and corner radii as an example.

If you're looking for an unadulterated praise-fest, it's not likely to happen.

[gruppe6designs]

[QUOTE][I think McLovin was overly positive about that grill. Sorry to rain on your parade...

Just look at the void space compared with a stock grill.

To assess function, you first have to understand flow phenomena...
_/QUOTE]

Ok, but rather than telling us about flow phenomena, educate us.

We welcome any information you can provide, positive or negative.

Please understand that we are air-cooled 911 FANATICS. We are only offering what we think and hope others will see as a different aesthetic but functional and exclusive look to their 911's.

We believe in Form and Function.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Don't make those. Please.

Make these.

[gruppe6designs]

NOt being defensive, just trying to respond to the comments, my apologies if I am coming across that way. We knew that not everyone would like it and what a boring world it would be if we were all the same.

Beside engine temp's, what else would everyone like to see ?

[tazzieman]

For a start the louvres look too big for the size of the car.

Why not just do a perforated version to match those bling rennline floorboards? It would tie it all in for those that like to play with styles. Or you could louvre some floorboards!

[RWebb]

Yes, make something like Shaun posted.

I can also educate you about flow phenomena; you will need two years of college physics first.

[gruppe6designs]

For a start the louvres look too big for the size of the car.

Why not just do a perforated version to match those bling rennline floorboards? It would tie it all in for those that like to play with styles. Or you could louvre some floorboards!
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Yes, Prototypes in the photos and we are doing smaller louvre sizes and yes we can do the perforations as you mentioned to match Rennline.

We wanted to see what the Pelican community thought first.

[mossguy]

This thread has the potential to become another "I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear" thread

[gruppe6designs]

Yes. And that is not at all what we want. I have been driving my car for over two months with the grille on the car. No issues at all.

[McLovin]

Just make 10 of them and see if you can sell them.

[Winter]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Don't make those. Please.

Make these.

Yes, yes indeed! Nothing wrong with what you are making. But I like this a lot better.

[mossguy]

If your new louvered grill is as easy to R&R as the original, owning several different could provide for a different look for different circumstances (or moods).

[porsche930dude]

To make this successfull here you need to strive for a louver design and finish that is tastefull and doesnt look like an aftermarket jc-whitney bling accessory slapped on with double sided tape. I think as it is, it has a potential to work for some and it will sell if adverized in the right places. and thats really all you can ask for with a louvered design.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

they should probably strive for cutting the panel to actually fit the unique shape of the decklid inset.

[herr_oberst]