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ted 09-02-2015 05:58 AM

Mine (10 years ago :)) was 3.2 tin and rear cross-brace.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/207216-mirage-911-rsr-project-pics-4.html

Circles around modified areas.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1441202154.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1441202173.jpg

plug wires routed 3.2 style.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1441202189.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1441202208.jpg

PcarPhil 09-02-2015 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 8777696)
Well, 964 console and crossmember (modified), but youre right.

I also have a spacer (about 1 inch) between the crossmember and body. Otherwise the side tins would hit, the intake would not fit under the parcel shelf, and the gearbox would hit the shock tower crossmember.
I think I have the engine in the right place, maybe I should use slightly thicker spacers.
Should have raised the crossmember when I was welding on it... Maybe I'll redo that.

Oops, I forgot about the 1" spacers that are needed with the 964/993 console and crossmember. I just added them to my post above. My '88 cab with '97 VRam engine runs this setup.

When I've installed 3.6 engines with 964 or '95 993 intakes and 3.2 console and crossmembers then the 1" crossmember spacers can be optional. Instead I generally make an upward indention in the chassis parcel shelf using a 4x4 and a floor jack to provide additional clearance without needing crossmember spacers.

My experience is limited to '77-'88 cars so the '69 install (rear parcel shelf) may be different.

safe 09-02-2015 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaefer (Post 8777752)
Oops, I forgot about the 1" spacers that are needed with the 964/993 console and crossmember. I just added them to my post above. My '88 cab with '97 VRam engine runs this setup.

When I've installed 3.6 engines with 964 or '95 993 intakes and 3.2 console and crossmembers then the 1" crossmember spacers can be optional. Instead I generally make an upward indention in the chassis parcel shelf using a 4x4 and a floor jack to provide additional clearance without needing crossmember spacers.

My experience is limited to '77-'88 cars so the '69 install (rear parcel shelf) may be different.

Easy to forget stuff, there are sooo many things that needs tweaking on a project like this...
Even with the spacer I had to make a little indentation in the parcel shelf...

arrivederci 09-02-2015 01:07 PM

I use spacers with the 3.2 console/crossmember on my 3.6, but I think the varioram intake is taller.

PcarPhil 09-02-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arrivederci (Post 8778343)
I use spacers with the 3.2 console/crossmember on my 3.6, but I think the varioram intake is taller.

Yes the varioram intake is taller requiring spacers and/or modifying the parcel shelf.

Here's an example of what Patrick Motorsports has done to avoid using crossmember spacers with the varioram intake:

https://patrickms.s3.amazonaws.com/p...g_tray_mod.jpg

rennch 09-02-2015 10:02 PM

No Varioram for me. It's a 95 engine.

PcarPhil 09-03-2015 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 8777820)
Even with the spacer I had to make a little indentation in the parcel shelf...

Quote:

Originally Posted by emptyo (Post 8779005)
No Varioram for me. It's a 95 engine.

*hint hint* Michael you'll probably need to clearance the '69 parcel shelf a wee bit to install your '95 engine.

Here's a pic of a 964 engine in a '77 chassis using 3.2 console/crossmember and no crossmember spacers. You can't see in the pic but the parcel shelf was clearanced using a 4x4 (although not technically needed with the 964 intake).

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1301662674.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1299248326.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1299248343.jpg

ted 09-03-2015 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaefer (Post 8779198)
*hint hint* Michael you'll probably need to clearance the '69 parcel shelf a wee bit to install your '95 engine.

ditto had the same clearance issue on on my 69 with a 95 non vr.

rennch 09-10-2015 12:14 PM

Ok, noted on the clearance. Clarence.


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rennch 09-10-2015 12:20 PM

UPDATE:

making major progress on the car. We are getting down to crunch time, and ready for the installation. Some final cleanup was routing the DME through the chassis:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...a8df115012.jpg

And then, I wanted to clean up the fan housing and fan itself. It was in really bad shape. Here's what the fan look like before:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...86576d69f3.jpg

Not exactly a pretty sight!

I used stripper to remove the paint, and followed up with some fine grit sandpaper:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...56b777c47a.jpg

After getting the fan and housing cleaned up, I rattle canned the paint into something far more better looking:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...743eb992eb.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...8f72c98b4b.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...2b6e94babd.jpg

This weekend, we are making the final preparation, for a potential install on Monday. One thing I don't have yet is extended studs to mount the transmission to the 3.6 L motor. I was going to go to McMaster Carr and order them, but I don't know exactly which ones to order. I also need longer studs for the engine console. Does anyone have any idea of what lengths I should order, and which studs I should order from them? There are so many I don't know which ones to choose.

Thanks, and I will see you for the next update.


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rennch 09-10-2015 12:31 PM

Just as I was typing this, the UPS (or the "brown Santa", as I call him) guy showed up with the Earls cooler I ordered yesterday. This is the 25000A cooler that I will use under my RSR front bumper. It looks like it will fit with a bit of modification to the bumper. And at $245, a reasonable price.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...3a24dcd1c5.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...bc7ae2e2a5.jpg

Will update on the install.

Here's a shot I took of the engine and conversion (note the video equipment...hmmm) at Jae Lee's Mirage International here in San Diego:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...77903d2499.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...4c92d95880.jpg


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Cory M 09-10-2015 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emptyo (Post 8789096)
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One thing I don't have yet is extended studs to mount the transmission to the 3.6 L motor. I was going to go to McMaster Carr and order them, but I don't know exactly which ones to order. I also need longer studs for the engine console. Does anyone have any idea of what lengths I should order, and which studs I should order from them? There are so many I don't know which ones to choose.

If you need a local source for bolts check out Marshall's hardware, they are in Miramar not far from Jae's shop. Also Ababa bolt in El Cajon.

rennch 09-10-2015 12:50 PM

I've been to Marshall's, and will probably size these up there. Hopefully they have em.


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rennch 09-10-2015 01:11 PM

Ps...Marshalls is Tool & Fabrication porn. Wow.


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Bill Verburg 09-10-2015 01:49 PM

Now is the time to get rid of the AC console, unless AC is retained of course. Either use the RS part or cut the one you have.

Also address any leaks, usual suspects are cam covers, tensioner bridges, oil console on top of the intake

safe 09-10-2015 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emptyo (Post 8789096)

And then, I wanted to clean up the fan housing and fan itself. It was in really bad shape. Here's what the fan look like before:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...86576d69f3.jpg

Not exactly a pretty sight!

I used stripper to remove the paint, and followed up with some fine grit sandpaper:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...56b777c47a.jpg

After getting the fan and housing cleaned up, I rattle canned the paint into something far more better looking:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...743eb992eb.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...8f72c98b4b.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...2b6e94babd.jpg

This weekend, we are making the final preparation, for a potential install on Monday. One thing I don't have yet is extended studs to mount the transmission to the 3.6 L motor. I was going to go to McMaster Carr and order them, but I don't know exactly which ones to order. I also need longer studs for the engine console. Does anyone have any idea of what lengths I should order, and which studs I should order from them? There are so many I don't know which ones to choose.

Thanks, and I will see you for the next update.


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Good results!

Here is how mine turned out after a bead blast and Gibbs oil. *Looked a bil like yours

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...psa107bc70.jpg

rennch 09-11-2015 04:35 PM

Massive productivity today. A big fabrication day! Got the front oil cooler mounted, the hard lines installed, the fan housing / alternator installed, and customized the crossmember for the dual coils.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...638a4ab1e6.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...5bb54cc915.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...710838d77d.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...ca89022710.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...fbe598465e.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...24b164d233.jpg


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rennch 09-11-2015 04:36 PM

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...f4288d91e2.jpg


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POORSH 09-11-2015 06:14 PM

Michael,
Can you please post some close-up pics of what modifications you had to do with the engine tin? I know pics were posted by Ted for his conversion. I am hoping to see what tin you used and what you had to do to make the engine fit as I am thinking of doing a backdate to a '75 with a '95 non-vr motor.
TIA.

rennch 09-13-2015 09:59 PM

There's an air vent on the 3.6 L engine that leads from the top of the fan shroud down into the heat exchanger. Since I'm getting rid of the heat on my car I need to cover a big hole up. Jae's idea is to pull out all the rubber and plug it with a piece of Kevlar. So here's my attempt. This is the original piece with the rubber broken off.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...f66b8c2708.jpg

And, after about 10 minutes of finagling, here's the rubber completely removed.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...76627ad284.jpg

I used a piece of paper to make a rough template, and ran my finger around the edges. Then I glued the paper onto the backside of the Kevlar so it wouldn't move as I was cutting it out.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...88dca3be59.jpg

Here is the rough-cut:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...0e68b1bcc4.jpg

After about 10 minutes of trimming, grinding and otherwise inhaling too much fiberglass the piece is about finished:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...f4715ad720.jpg

I've glued it just to keep it in place so tomorrow I can rivet it. And I threw a few clamps on there to hold it overnight. I probably could've used JB weld to secure it but hopefully this works. Once it's riveted I will silicone the backside to keep it secure and make an airtight.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...d925607c12.jpg

We are getting very close. I'm just waiting for a new clutch to come in, and a few oil line connectors.


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