Bad paint experience. How to repair?

[Joe Bob]

Class act Olav....it's seven days now. Want it permanent?

[SirAndy]

Originally posted by olav_a
You are a very stupid person and a liar andy. You listen to 1/2 a conversation and you think you know everything.
You have NOTHING to do with this your just a busy body with nothing else to do except defend cheats and liars.
Go back to your facists friends at the 914club.com and dream up more fabrications.

yes, i heard half the conversation. and after brandon got off the phone with you, he filled me in about the other half. which pretty much consistet of the same "derogatory language" you used above.

i never claimed i know "everything" but i *did* see your car at the shop after it was painted.
if fact, *you* emailed me and asked my opinion on the paint-job, did you not?

if by "stupid" you mean that i know BullSh$t when i see it posted, then yes, i guess i must be a "stupid" person ...

a liar? hardly ... you're doing a mighty fine job of making a fool of yourself without the need for any "lies" from me ...
Andy

[j.collins]

Excuse me dear Sirs,
I know none of you and do not intend to become part of this banter, but I can tell you One fact- If the rocker panel, paint job shown in the previous posts, is to be considered good, out the shop door, get paid quality, then there is definitely a painter who is not performing as expected and a shop manager who needs to be a little more on top of it, I have painted hundreds of panels ,some of them 3 times, a fisheye, cup scrape, a run, a bubble-- not intentional but it happens,repainted on my dime, not the customers . A painter is called upon to produce a quality product, just like any business, this is what the consumer deserves!

[SirAndy]

Originally posted by j.collins
I have painted hundreds of panels ,some of them 3 times, a fisheye, cup scrape, a run, a bubble-- not intentional but it happens,repainted on my dime, not the customers . A painter is called upon to produce a quality product, just like any business, this is what the consumer deserves!

and i fully agree with your post!

brandon stands behind his work. he will be happy to fix anything that is wrong with his paintjob.

unfortunately, by not paying the agreed upon amount and threads of legal action without giving brandon the chance to even *look* at the car again, i don't see this happening.
any reasonable person would seek communication to resolve this, olav has apparently chosen a different path ...


olav, in case you don't know, you have gained quite a "reputation" amongst vendors in this area in the last few years. people have been talking about you.
i know of at least two vendors where you had similar "episodes". they never got paid the full amount agreed on for work performed.
in fact, had i known Mark and Brandon were going to work on your car, i would have strongly advised them against doing so.

i've always respected you as a person (well, at least until your recent infantile personal attacks) but your history of doing business with local vendors speaks volumes by itself ...

Andy

[olav_a]

Originally posted by SirAndy
and i fully agree with your post!

brandon stands behind his work. he will be happy to fix anything that is wrong with his paintjob.

unfortunately, by not paying the agreed upon amount and threads of legal action without giving brandon the chance to even *look* at the car again, i don't see this happening.
any reasonable person would seek communication to resolve this, olav has apparently chosen a different path ...


olav, in case you don't know, you have gained quite a "reputation" amongst vendors in this area in the last few years. people have been talking about you.
i know of at least two vendors where you had similar "episodes". they never got paid the full amount agreed on for work performed.
in fact, had i known Mark and Brandon were going to work on your car, i would have strongly advised them against doing so.

i've always respected you as a person (well, at least until your recent infantile personal attacks) but your history of doing business with local vendors speaks volumes by itself ...

Andy

This isn't about me, as you are trying to deflect the real issue, it's about crappy workmanship.

There are other very dissatisfied customers out there that hadn't said anything about Brandon until I posted that my paint was crap. Now they have related their stories to me as seen above.

You don't know anything about what has happened. You know and spread rumors to try and discredit the person that was ultimately ripped off.

I have a solid paper trail, evidence as to how the events unraveled.

I was asking the people here about paint quality and what I should do and you come in and make a fool out of yourself cross posting across boards making things up to fit your convoluted logic.

You're basically a nut case.

Go back home and harass someone else.

[Bleyseng]

Olav, sounds like you should atleast take the car back to the painter so you both can inspect the defects. The painter then can tell you the course of action he is going to take, either fix it or tell you to F*ck off.

Then you atleast have given him the chance to make things right.

[SirAndy]

Originally posted by olav_a
You're basically a nut case.

well, thank you sir!
that's exactly the kind of attitude that got you into this mess in the first place ...

good luck on your endeavors, you're going to need it.
Andy

[olav_a]

Originally posted by Bleyseng
Olav, sounds like you should atleast take the car back to the painter so you both can inspect the defects. The painter then can tell you the course of action he is going to take, either fix it or tell you to F*ck off.

Then you atleast have given him the chance to make things right.

I did try and work it out with Brandon (painter in question). All I got from Brandon (and his partner Mark) were excuses. They had every excuse in the book. Brandon's attitude was so bad and it was obvious he didn't care about the job he did on my car. In fact, he said he did it as a favor to Mark. Again, I didn't ask for any favors. All I wanted was a good paint job. I gave him a fair chance and decided it was better to accept my losses and move on (plus there were other issues with the work that added to my reasons for not going back). Why would I take my car back to someone who did bad work and didn't care? When the paint on the valances started to go bad, I decided to speak out. I wasn't surprised to hear from other victims of Brandon's with very similar stories. Just don't want this to happen to anyone else. Thanks to Andy, he has turned this once again into something that it is not. The funny thing is, this has absolutely nothing to do with Andy. The thread was about a bad paint job!

[olav_a]

Originally posted by j.collins
Excuse me dear Sirs,
I know none of you and do not intend to become part of this banter, but I can tell you One fact- If the rocker panel, paint job shown in the previous posts, is to be considered good, out the shop door, get paid quality, then there is definitely a painter who is not performing as expected and a shop manager who needs to be a little more on top of it, I have painted hundreds of panels ,some of them 3 times, a fisheye, cup scrape, a run, a bubble-- not intentional but it happens,repainted on my dime, not the customers . A painter is called upon to produce a quality product, just like any business, this is what the consumer deserves!

I have all the problems you describe in my paint.

Fisheyes, "sand scratches", lots of dust, crumb size objects, paint running, tranparency and what looks like painted over chips, I guess from the under layer of stuff.

They told me that was "normal" and if I want them removed they would "razor blade" them off and do wet sanding and charge me another $1500.00 for the trouble.

I thought that was unreasonable. I have never seen a job where there was so much contamination and prep defects before.

I'll just have to get the paint redone at a competent painter.

Thanks for your input I really appreciate it.

[SirAndy]

Originally posted by olav_a
The funny thing is, this has absolutely nothing to do with Andy.

you are correct, i have absolutely nothing to do with this.
as much as you try to give that impression, this is not about me. i hold no grudge against you. i have nothing to gain from "bashing" you.

all i did was to tell the other side of the story ...
and apparently, i have hit a nerve!

again, you're omitting important facts from your story and lists of services rendered. quite conveniently, i might add.

Andy

[olav_a]

Originally posted by SirAndy i have hit a nerve!

Actually, no you haven't. I rather enjoy the banter.

Originally posted by SirAndy
again, you're omitting important facts from your story and lists of services rendered. quite conveniently, i might add.

Andy [/B]

I have no problem stating the events and facts as they occurred… and accurately.

Any list I created is accurate (visit blog for complete list).

I do have better things to do this weekend though, so later!

[Joe Bob]

So banter me this.....has the issue of you owing or not paying other people in the 914 community ever happened before?

Seems like there are a few people that need some $$ from you....I see repeat occurrences here.

Just an observation, don't get your panties bunched up....and before you fire off another nasty PM or email to me, think REAL hard who your talking to.

[SirAndy]

Originally posted by mikez
has the issue of you owing or not paying other people in the 914 community ever happened before?

for some reason, i doubt you will get a straight answer to that question ...

Andy

[Joe Bob]

Well the Nazi comment in the PM I told you NOT to send got you banned over at the club. It also validates my opinion of you w/o ever having the displeasure of meeting you.

I recommend that if you and I do meet, to turn around and walk away.

[nine_one_4]

Don't mess with Zois - I think he's the reigning Ultimate Pizza Eating champion.

[byndbad914]

need a popcorn smiley!

Considering the panels look like they were painted with that crinkle/wrinkle valve cover paint, I would be pretty fired up too! Concourse or not, I would expect smooth paint regardless.

That said, HOW this situation has been handled is far more riveting than any reality TV show on any network

Too bad friendships were lost over this - it is really why I don't recommend people/places to anyone anymore. As soon as ***** hits the fan, you end up caught up in the storm And when it hits the fan, it is hard to turn and run away when a friend is involved...

[sammyg2]

Notes to self:
Never sell anything to Olav.
Never give anything to Olav.
Never do anything for Olav.
Never help Olav no matter how great the need.
Never let a friend get involved with Olav.
That should do it.

[Kevin Powers]

only comment i have is the seals should have been removed prior to painting. window squeegees, targa front seal, turn signal bucket, rear window cap, vent window seal, etc. (i have no idea whether they were or not). seal reinstall should have occured AFTER the final rub out. this would've avoided the staining of the seal items. a gentile scrub with a worn toothbrush and an application of glycerin "might" help resore the finish. remove the rockers and valances, blast them (to "white" metal), REALLY degrease them (i like to kill brain cells with laquer thinner), metal etch primer, and just buy 4 or 5 cans of Krylon Semi-flat Black. cheap and easy. you need to pick up the blasted pieces the DAY they are completed, and get the bare metal covered. i am not an automotive painter nor do i claim to be one, but what i've discribed works well for me.

k

[olav_a]

Originally posted by mikez
Well the Nazi comment in the PM I told you NOT to send got you banned over at the club. It also validates my opinion of you w/o ever having the displeasure of meeting you.

I recommend that if you and I do meet, to turn around and walk away.

Whatever you fruit cake. I hope we do meet face to face.

[olav_a]

Here's a video of the crap paint job.

Video of Crappy Paint