Need Help Choosing a Porsche!

[Rabbitica]

Get a 928 that has been taken well cared for and you won't be disappointed. I wasn't...

[david944]

I've heard 928's are very reliable. Is that so??

[jagraff]

Ok, I know I started this whole conversation, but I have to say something totally against what I was trying to find out. Today I had the benefit of going up against a Turbo 911 Convertible when I was in my '89 Convertible Mustang that is very mildly modified. At first he was revving his engine and trying to act cool, but when I started to play back, he was terrified!! I admit, my car has a rollcage in it and it can be intimidating, but from what I have seen, he has more horsepower, a engine that was created after a racing legend and supposedly a better handling car!! On I95 in South Florida he took off and we got up to 60 when we both dropped the pedal and I could hear his turbo spool, but he went noplace fast! I had about 5 cars on him when I let go of the pedal, about 100 MPH. He came up to my side and took off after I had already crushed him, poor sport! He followed me to the off ramp where the corner had two lanes. I took the inside and he took the outside, weird seeing that he had a "better handling car" then my $2100 car!! At about 65 around the corner I was pulling away almost as hard as the straight away. So my final decision is to keep my "cheaply made American car" till I can truly find a better car to replace it with. Thank you all so much for the input, but I don't see replacing my car with a more expensive one whos performance is inferior to a car I already have. I am going to be upgrading my current car with a turbo and convert to a bulletproof 5speed. Again, thank you for the information you have all so happily given to me to help me understand and choose a Porsche. Hope to meet you all out on the road someday and maybe then you can run laps around me and change my mind. Till then...........

[1.2gees]

What was the point of this post? Are you trying to say your Mustang is a better car than a 911 turbo? (or a 944?)

I have three things to tell you:

1st of, never decide anything by racing ONE guy, on the street. The car might not have been a turbo (do you know how a turbo sounds? the regular 911's wail will surprise you), there might've been something wrong with it. There's something called turbo lag... Also you don't know he could drive it the way you're supposed to, to extract power from it, or make it go fast around a corner. (THAT is one of the main reasons why a Porsche is so rewarding to drive).

2nd, There's more to a car than simply how fast you can go when you "punch" it. I have NO doubt a 911 turbo that's in good shape can spank your mustang. Hell, even I can spank your mustang at an auto-x with my "dinky" little 944 NA, it's exactly half the size of your engine... Yet I beat mustangs daily at speeds above 50-55. They have NO top end.

3rd, because of reasons like the lack of feed-back, build quality, and good handling, "I" think a Mustang is a complete piece of garbage. This is purely objectional, I'm sure you can make a good point by arguing how cheaply you got it, and that it can go 0-60 faster than any other car at it's price range, however you forget that a proper "sports" car can also turn and stop well too. And THAT is why the 5.0 is NOT a good sports car.

Moving UP to a Porsche will cost more $$$, and it doesn't seem to be a car that'll suit you well. So keep the $$$, and the car!
Ahmet

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It's all the driver...

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[Dave951]

Well put, Ahmet!

Dave

[jagraff]

Originally posted by 1.2gees:
What was the point of this post? Are you trying to say your Mustang is a better car than a 911 turbo? (or a 944?)

If you were listening, I never said anything about better, nor did I say that another Porsche couldn't beat my "garbage" Mustang. I stated the fact that here was this guy that personified the Porsche driver to the T, in a Convert. 911 TURBO Porsche and again, my GARBAGE Mustang ripped him in the straights (that's above 50 for your info) and in the corners.

I have three things to tell you:
Of which I have many things to tell you too:

1st of, never decide anything by racing ONE guy, on the street.
I decided that I was too fast to judge the high end racing breed engine of the Porsche with one race, so I called out to my friend that has a Porsche (911 Turbo hardtop). He lives local to me and knew of a place that had no traffic where they are building a new community near my house. Last night was the deciding factor to whether I was going to be a Porsche owner or not (till I can afford a newer Porsche, maybe a twin turbo would be fast). He owns a performance shop and has been racing at Moroso, Sunshine speedway and other tracks,(and on the streets) on the straights and 10 turn since he was 18 and he is now in his early 30's(I can hear it already, he doesn't know how to drive a Porsche the "right" way). A little more FYI, he has a 2001 Cobra that runs low 8's in the quarter with a 4.6 liter and 5 speed, so I trust his driving more then I trust mine. I have to admit, when he was warming the car up and I heard the engine, my knees were knocking!! I was afraid I spoke on this post too soon and I was going to be SPANKED by this thing and have to eat my words. To my surprise, from the start of the race, my car was pulling on his. Now I have to admit, I just got new slotted rotors, 5 point harness (that kept me in the seat a little better), AVS Inter. tires and a new suspension (shocks, struts and springs). At the end of the race, which was about 10 laps through the entire community, I was ahead by a large gap. I was pissed, I almost wanted him to beat me to give me a reason to get a Porsche! To race him and beat him wasn't enough though. I took the Porsche this time and he took my car for the next test (FYI, we did not race against each other as I was too afraid of smashing his car). Please, again, I am not putting down the Porsche, nor am I trying to stir up a fight over the history of the car. My car outhandled the Porsche, was easier to correct a goof up and my engine gave a better indication of what was going on. I admit, the Porsche drove like it was on a track and had a great sound, but I enjoyed the tone of my car better.


The car might not have been a turbo (do you know how a turbo sounds? the regular 911's wail will surprise you), there might've been something wrong with it. There's something called turbo lag...
I was hoping you would say that! Yes, I do know what Turbo lag is, as I have had a few turbo cars(300ZX twin turbo, Mustang Turbo, and to round it off, a Thunderbird turbo coupe). The car that was on the highway that I raced was a turbo, without a doubt. It had all of the badging and the high pitched spool that could not be mistaken.


Also you don't know he could drive it the way you're supposed to, to extract power from it, or make it go fast around a corner. (THAT is one of the main reasons why a Porsche is so rewarding to drive).

I am not a professional driver and as ANYONE can tell you, the Mustang is not a easy car to drive. The car loves to fishtail and you can bald a set of tires within a few hours, so if a guy that was ready and able to race could not keep up against a fairly stock AUTOMATIC mustang..........you do the math!

2nd, There's more to a car than simply how fast you can go when you "punch" it.

I am perfectly aware of the fact that looks take a big part in the vehicle as well. But, picture a Hummer, this huge vehicle that has more GPS equip then most armies carry and all that metal, and it can't climb a 20 degree hill......

I have NO doubt a 911 turbo that's in good shape can spank your mustang. Hell, even I can spank your mustang at an auto-x with my "dinky" little 944 NA, it's exactly half the size of your engine... Yet I beat mustangs daily at speeds above 50-55. They have NO top end.

I would thoroughly enjoy putting my car against your 944. I would also enjoy it if you beat me so I could see the point in purchasing a Porsche. Since you most likely don't live near me and most likely just have a bunch of talk, I guess we will never know. If anyone could have spanked my car, it would have been my friend. As a matter of fact, I welcome anyone in the South Florida area, with a Stockish 944 or 911 (older model) to step up to the plate.

3rd, because of reasons like the lack of feed-back, build quality, and good handling, "I" think a Mustang is a complete piece of garbage.

If this was remotely close to being the truth, I would be dead! I have been in about 5 accidents and have yet to be hurt. One of which a crane had to pick the car up to get it on the flat bed when I was caught in the middle of a 8 car pile up! So, if you are going to make a point, make a valid one please! I have also flipped a slant nose convertible Porsche so I know that they are safe as well, but don't say that a car is unsafe if you have no idea! Oh, and the 302 motor that you are putting down has a racing history to it as well!

This is purely objectional, I'm sure you can make a good point by arguing how cheaply you got it, and that it can go 0-60 faster than any other car at it's price range, however you forget that a proper "sports" car can also turn and stop well too. And THAT is why the 5.0 is NOT a good sports car.

To set your mind at ease, my car obviously outstopped, outcornered and out powered the POrsche Turbo TWO TIMES!! One time with a driver that will outdrive any of us at any time!

Moving UP to a Porsche will cost more $$$, and it doesn't seem to be a car that'll suit you well. So keep the $$$, and the car!

I understand that it will cost more, but I am trying to find something more to the car then its' pissing power. Yeah, it is great to be asked what kind of car yo have and to be able to say, "A Porsche", but if the thing doesn't perform, who cares!! I had a black Mustang several years ago and had the opportunity to get up against a Diablo in a back road at a light. It was a straight away, as I know I could never beat or match or even come close to that car with ANY $12,000 car like mine! That car took off so damn fast and had such a sweet engine sound I couldn't stop grinning the whole week. To even be beat by him was a pleasure.

Well Ahmet, I hope you understand that my intent was not to piss you off or to simply outstage your car, but to tell a story of what happened! It is a truthful story and maybe I will see the purpose for purchasing one in the future, or I will just keep saving for a Ferrari or Lambo. Who knows.........

Thank you all again for all of your info and support. See you on the road someday.

[Rabbitica]

Mustang huh?.. Got an 88 928 S4 that has left Saleens reading my Bondurant School of Driving (a Ford school) license plate frame. Did I mention the S4 is stock? It is a heavy beast that will do just fine. As far as your victory against the 911 turbo… just ‘cuz he’s got one doesn’t necessarily mean that he can drive one.

To answer the reliability question about the 928…it is very reliable if you get onw that has been cared for. The earlier ones had a bit of a temper. Keep up on the service and the T- belt and you have a daily driver.

Have you blown away a Ford lately?

[jagraff]

I just needed to make my point, sorry for it being so long. Just an update, I am supposed to go out this weekend or next and race the Turbo Porsche (my friend wants a rematch), but this time it will be caught on film. When it is done I will make sure to post it so that I can make sure all of you know the truth of the race!! We just need to find a place to race again. Hmmm, maybe this calls for a visit to Moroso!! Till then..

Originally posted by mideastmafia:
ladies and gentlemen....


the longest post in the history of pelican parts.

SHAUN

[jagraff]

Originally posted by Rabbitica:
Mustang huh?.. Got an 88 928 S4 that has left Saleens reading my Bondurant School of Driving (a Ford school) license plate frame.

Well, Rabbit, I would truly enjoy meeting you on the road one day. I do have one question, if Fords are so bad, why would you put a Ford Promoting product on your car? As far as the Saleens go, it is just like a fake 944 Turbo. Everyone wants to have the car but no one wants to pay the stupid money for the vehicle. I blow by Saleens all day long as well and I don't even need a Bondurant License plate frame to do it! People like you crack me up, let me guess, do you have a really big Porsche keychain so that everyone can see that you drive a Porsche?

Did I mention the S4 is stock? It is a heavy beast that will do just fine. As far as your victory against the 911 turbo… just ‘cuz he’s got one doesn’t necessarily mean that he can drive one.

Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit, just because you drive around with the cool Bondurant License Frame (that anyone can buy for a small fee of $10.00 by the way) doesn't mean you can drive at all either!! We can always hope that someone that spends the money on something will know how to use it, but then again, there are always people out there like yourself that want to be flashy. (A chrome license frame on a Porsche, really, how cheap!! Why not a Porsche frame or something?!)

To answer the reliability question about the 928…it is very reliable if you get onw that has been cared for. The earlier ones had a bit of a temper. Keep up on the service and the T- belt and you have a daily driver.

I was more interested with the 911 or 944 turbos actually. I think the 928's are not as attractive as the other Porsches.

Have you blown away a Ford lately?

Really, you should get a new line! Or, hey, maybe you could make up a new one, like..........Found On Road Dead!! You have to keep changing these belts on these cars, yet all I have to do is make sure mine has oil in it!! I called the dealership to find out about a Porsche I was going to buy that needed a new belt and they wanted over $3000 to change that belt. That is flat out robbery!! For that amount of money I can buy a turbo package for my car! Or, get a full racing suspension........or buy a second car and make my convertible into a saturday car....or..........!

Happy motoring Rabbit, Lose the License Frame!!
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[mic_bo]

The difference between Porsche and Mustang is very simple and has nothing to do with power, handling, etc. The difference is only that true Porsche lovers and believers are not wasting time looking around Mustang bulletin boards for some answers. The pleasure of owning a Porsche is more deeper than nuts and bolts, its more like "a relationship" with a new member in your family.

If you already have spent some time with a good Porsche and are still asking questions well you are right, Porsche cars are not for you so stick with your toy and use your time to look at Camaro and Firebird bulletin boards where you may find some new friends too.

Salute
Mic
I see you in my rear mirror

[mic_bo]

sorry (double post)

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[hoff944]

I could see this about to happen from the original post. What a load of crap. Heck, how about a mildly modded Porsche?

[jagraff]

Now you are a poetic genius, Dic, or I mean Mic.... I mean a person like you has such a way with words, "more deeper"! Maybe you should sell the Porsche and take up some English classes! People like you piss me off, instead of listening and understanding what a person has to say, you just spit out a bunch of garbage, Mr. More Deeper I'm talkin' to you ( I am trying to talk down so you understand what I am sayin', k!). I thought that people who drove the Porsche would drive them for the machine, not a pissing contest!! People like Mic belong in Corvettes, with balding heads and ponytails! I am trying to find out if I want a Porsche and I am asking questions to make up my mind, not to have some ignoramus like you tell me to go on a bulletin board you belong on. By the way, why would I go to a Chevy or Pontiac board if I was a Ford person, Slim?! Next time, turn the car off when you are sitting in the garage, it's rotting your brain! So far the difference between the Porsche and Mustang is simple, everyone has a complex when they drive a Porsche that belongs to a teenager! I drive my car because I am a car buff, not to have some pissing contest and I race because I find it enjoyable. I don't street race much, but I can say I like to jump off the line occasionally and thoroughly like to go through the twisties to see my limit and my cars limit. I was praising the Porsche, it's looks, along with it's sound, but I am trying to find the reason to go to a Porsche. So far, from what all the Porsche owners have said is that they are expensive to buy, expensive to maintain and expensive to insure. They have also reported that if you jump off the line you will splinter the tranny and have the ability to hurt the engine. So, to draw a conclusion, what am I to gain by getting a Porsche? You all can talk about the love of the car and the family like quality of it, but you are all talking out of your hind side. I was looking around today and found a Lambo Countach that looks attractive, maybe I'll take a peek at that. Maybe they won't be so stuck on themselves as well.

Mic, get a life and some grammer lessons. Oh, and stop talking trash about seeing anything in your rearview! You are even worse then the last person with the Bondurant frame on the car!!

This is probably my last post as I am getting bored with hearing the garbage some of you have to say.

Final thought:

Porsche, great looking, but worse then a Jag to fix!!

J-

Originally posted by mic_bo:
The difference between Porsche and Mustang is very simple and has nothing to do with power, handling, etc. The difference is only that true Porsche lovers and believers are not wasting time looking around Mustang bulletin boards for some answers. The pleasure of owning a Porsche is more deeper than nuts and bolts, its more like "a relationship" with a new member in your family.

If you already have spent some time with a good Porsche and are still asking questions well you are right, Porsche cars are not for you so stick with your toy and use your time to look at Camaro and Firebird bulletin boards where you may find some new friends too.

Salute
Mic
I see you in my rear mirror

[jagraff]

Hey Hoff, were you listening?! A mildly modded Porsche that would keep up to my car would be about $15,000 worth of mods. For $15,000 I could make my car faster in the corners and off the line then ANY Porsche! Hell, I have a stock car, except for a wheels, tires, shocks and brakes that has been running laps around the car you drive and it already has a turbo in it!! Coauld you imagine if I put a turbo in my car?! Ok, this is getting obnoxious. I did ot comeon here to start some bulletin fight, I came here to find out info abuot a car that I was thinking of purchasing! Well, Jack Hoff, see ya on the streets is all I can say!

J-

Originally posted by hoff944:
I could see this about to happen from the original post. What a load of crap. Heck, how about a mildly modded Porsche?

[Drew_K]

jagraff,

Don't take the messages too hard. You are in a Porsche board after all, and there a lot of passionate owners here. I do see your point however, and, based on what you've posted so far, a Porsche may not be the car you're looking for. A Porsche probably will not give you the best HP per dollar or the best handling per dollar (although it can be done with a 944, IMHO). If that is what you are looking for, when a Porsche may not be the right car for you.

Also, while some Porsches are very capable off the line, they really aren't designed to be dragsters. Instead, they're more for handling and cruising at high speeds. My 911 accelerates much more impressively from 60 to 90 mph than from 10 to 40 mph, for example.

I guess it all comes down to what you're looking for. A friend of mine only looks at 0 to 60 times and 1/4 miles times, so he just ordered a Corvette Z06 (yes, I know the Z06 handles well, but straight line performance is why HE ordered it). If you try to justify Porsche ownership based purely on numbers, such as performance numbers or cost, then you'll never buy one. To me, owning and driving a car goes beyond numbers and is more of a visceral experience.
I enjoy a reasonably fast car that handles well and is stylish, and I don't mind paying the extra money for a Porsche. To each their own.

[mic_bo]

Drew_K

Thank you for your good and very refreshing posting. I wish I had (french is my language)all the grammar and vocabulary needed to express more clearly my opinion without creating anger from anybody on this topic. I agree with you on everything and wish I have phrased the way you did it.

quote:from Drew_K

I (to)enjoy a reasonably fast car that handles well and is stylish, and I don't mind paying the extra money for a Porsche. To each their own.


Dic (I mean Mic)

[hoff944]

951 Turbo......Nuff said

[hoff944]

951 Turbo......Nuff said. You pay for what you get.

[Mrdi]

Seems to me that you spell "grammer" with an ar Mr. Mustang ,for example, perhaps you can recall the spelling of grammar school.From whom then do suggest we take lessons? Heard they give elementary lessons at the Mustang Ranch.

[Mrdi]

Seems to me Mr. Mustang that you spell "grammer" grammar. Perhaps you recall the spelling from grammar school.From whom then do you suggest we take grammar lessons?
I hear they give elementary lessons at the Mustang Ranch.

Mrdi