Alternative Engines for the 944 (other than a Chevy V8)

[924CarreraGTP]

Porsche has 16 overall wins in the prototype class at LeMans. 20,000 racing wins in the lesser categories of endurance racing. More wins in the sport than any other manufacturer.
I'm not concerned with the C5R, C6R, ZR1 or any other Chevrolet. I wasn't aware Chevy had many P1 or P2 wins if any. Prototype racing is top of the sport. That's what counts. Again, this is a Porsche forum.
I guess I just don't understand the mentality. Porsches are pretty awesome on their own. I can't see changing them to something that is mediocre and run of the mill just for horsepower. I think I kind of explained that in an earlier comment here. A Porsche is supposed to be symbolic for the success to be able to afford high technology. It's one thing to improve that high technology, but taking away from it by using an engine with half of the innovation as the original power plant is a step backwards. Isn't the LS still a pushrod engine? lol
I like the white car with the Audi 5 cylinder. That is a pretty awesome build. I'm not much for engine swaps, but that one looks good. With the 944 being built at Audi, and Audi having a significant prototype racing career that's acceptable even in my book. I like it infact.
Can you cite which Ferrari, Skoda, Lancia, or Alfa had a rear transmission, and a front engine? I must have missed something.
I don't care what Triumph did either. The TR7 was junk with an aluminum head and a steel block. The TR8 with it's rover engine didn't solve anything either as stated above with the head gaskets and liner problems. Hell, the only thing the TR6 had was looks. That's more than I can say for any other Triumph other than a TR3.
They are all English and used sorry Lucas electronics.
Do what you want to your 944. Put a Ford flat head in it if you want. See if I care. Just don't expect that it will have value as a Porsche.

[v2rocket_aka944]

Originally Posted by 924CarreraGTP

Porsche has 16 overall wins in the prototype class at LeMans. 20,000 racing wins in the lesser categories of endurance racing. More wins in the sport than any other manufacturer.
I'm not concerned with the C5R, C6R, ZR1 or any other Chevrolet. I wasn't aware Chevy had many P1 or P2 wins if any. Prototype racing is top of the sport. That's what counts. Again, this is a Porsche forum.
Can you cite which Ferrari, Skoda, Lancia, or Alfa had a rear transmission, and a front engine? I must have missed something.

Alfa Alfetta/GTV

[924CarreraGTP]

The 928 was initially a design study in 1971. Alfetta was 72. Alfa or not Porsche definitely made the rear transmission mainstream by mass producing it, and had the best layout and suspension. I don't see too many Alfa Alfettas running around. Not many winning SCCA events.

[pc100porsche]

12 13 BMW F30 N26 2 0L Twin Power Turbo Engine | eBay

[Lapkritis]

I believe the point is people who are swapping for anything at all but a Porsche engine (for a variety of reasons outlined already) don't value the racing history of Porsche as you do with regard to modifying your own car. You don't need championship wins to have passionate and enthusiastic fans - just look at the Chicago cubs.

[924CarreraGTP]

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

I believe the point is people who are swapping for anything at all but a Porsche engine (for a variety of reasons outlined already) don't value the racing history of Porsche as you do with regard to modifying your own car. You don't need championship wins to have passionate and enthusiastic fans - just look at the Chicago cubs.

I'll give you that. Not many people on here have owned twelve Porsches either. I guess it's just disheartening when I go look at a project car from the 1960's or 70's and the original engine is gone, or replaced with something else. I walk away 100% of the time when that happens. It just costs so much to buy correct power plants for cars, and all of the collectors want matching numbers. I'm a product of my experience with selling cars.

[v2rocket_aka944]

so howabout the flying lizard team winning LM races with a cayenne motor

[v2rocket_aka944]

Originally Posted by 924CarreraGTP

The 928 was initially a design study in 1971. Alfetta was 72. Alfa or not Porsche definitely made the rear transmission mainstream by mass producing it, and had the best layout and suspension. I don't see too many Alfa Alfettas running around. Not many winning SCCA events.

Transaxle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[924CarreraGTP]

Originally Posted by v2rocket_aka944

Transaxle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting. I think I knew the Tempest had a transaxle. Still the only modern American car, but interesting to know that the Stutz Bearcat used one. The wicked endurance racing success of the 1961 Pontiac Tempest must have been what made GM design a new transaxle for the Corvette right? It's just a coincidence that the transmission in the Vette looks almost identical to the 928's. Both the automatic, and the standard Vette transaxles are designed virtually identical to the automatic and standard 928 transmissions. They look like they might almost fit in a 928.
Screw all of this engine swap crap. I'm going to put a Vette transmission in a 928. Just to show how easy it is. lol
I'm not adverse to Porsche using V8's by any means. My partner and I have owned several 928's and some of them that I've driven are real monsters. 170-180mph cars. The old defunct Devek company got a 928S4 to over 200mph. I'd say with some tuning and work you could get a 928S4 from 1987 to give a new Vette a run for it's money. Top speed wise I mean. That is if the pushrods in the Vette hold up.

[petrolhead611]

Actually Alfa won a lot of touring car races in Europe using their transaxle.Their manual shift was not nearly as good as the Porsche onwe however. Volvo also had a rear transaxle in some of their sedans: maybe they didnt sell them in the US.

[Lapkritis]

Toyota Corona:





Another AAN Audi 5cyl 20v Turbo:


Audi V8:

[Lapkritis]

Audi 10v 5cyl turbo swap:



Another 5cyl 20v turbo swap (hopefully, among other things he turned the tires to correct rotation):

[Lapkritis]

Air cooled flat six turbooooo

[tedg04]

Originally Posted by 924CarreraGTP

Porsche has 16 overall wins in the prototype class at LeMans. 20,000 racing wins in the lesser categories of endurance racing. More wins in the sport than any other manufacturer.
I'm not concerned with the C5R, C6R, ZR1 or any other Chevrolet. I wasn't aware Chevy had many P1 or P2 wins if any. Prototype racing is top of the sport. That's what counts. Again, this is a Porsche forum.
I guess I just don't understand the mentality. Porsches are pretty awesome on their own. I can't see changing them to something that is mediocre and run of the mill just for horsepower. I think I kind of explained that in an earlier comment here. A Porsche is supposed to be symbolic for the success to be able to afford high technology. It's one thing to improve that high technology, but taking away from it by using an engine with half of the innovation as the original power plant is a step backwards. Isn't the LS still a pushrod engine? lol
I like the white car with the Audi 5 cylinder. That is a pretty awesome build. I'm not much for engine swaps, but that one looks good. With the 944 being built at Audi, and Audi having a significant prototype racing career that's acceptable even in my book. I like it infact.
Can you cite which Ferrari, Skoda, Lancia, or Alfa had a rear transmission, and a front engine? I must have missed something.
I don't care what Triumph did either. The TR7 was junk with an aluminum head and a steel block. The TR8 with it's rover engine didn't solve anything either as stated above with the head gaskets and liner problems. Hell, the only thing the TR6 had was looks. That's more than I can say for any other Triumph other than a TR3.
They are all English and used sorry Lucas electronics.
Do what you want to your 944. Put a Ford flat head in it if you want. See if I care. Just don't expect that it will have value as a Porsche.

Water under the bridge - and I think we see more eye to eye on it than you think. An LS or other swap would ruin any collectible value of the car (but that isn't the topic at hand). Even if it were the topic, I'd focus my collectible concerns on cars that aren't the forgotten step-son of the marque. (There are some collectible 924/944/968/928 models, but not the average one.)

[Lapkritis]

Another Toyota Turbo:



Buick GN Turbo

[Lapkritis]

Originally Posted by Techno Duck

Regarding those Audi swaps, the quality of the builds done in Sweden and Finland always impresses me.

The Yankees do a pretty solid job too:

[cockerpunk]

someone should put the audi 4.2 liter V8 in these cars. man that would be a fun one!

[Techno Duck]

Originally Posted by tedg04

Water under the bridge - and I think we see more eye to eye on it than you think. An LS or other swap would ruin any collectible value of the car (but that isn't the topic at hand). Even if it were the topic, I'd focus my collectible concerns on cars that aren't the forgotten step-son of the marque. (There are some collectible 924/944/968/928 models, but not the average one.)

Are you saying my Guards Red '88 944 Turbo with black interior isn't collectable or rare?? **** i got ripped off!

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

The Yankees do a pretty solid job too

But if it has a V8 it must be a pile of crap.

[Lapkritis]

Originally Posted by Techno Duck

But if it has a V8 it must be a pile of crap.

Such a gorgeous car... visual aides like this might help here for skeptics. Sure, there are basket cases and work in progress photos that aren't concourse level presentations. There are also plenty of top notch efforts out there that are lumped with the others by the haters.

[tedg04]

Originally Posted by Techno Duck

Are you saying my Guards Red '88 944 Turbo with black interior isn't collectable or rare?? **** i got ripped off!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. My 951 is #'s matching, as a favor I'll trade you...