Dished 944/951 phone dials on the 928

[928jr]

I'm 21 and new to the 928 scene having owned a 924 in my 'apprenticeship', I have a set of 16x7 phone dials on my silver 928.

I think they look great but I've seen the lipped/dished 8" and even 9" 944 and 951 phonies that I think would look great on the rear of my car.

My 928 has the standard 65mm offset. I've heard that many 944/951's have a different spacing and so if I fitted these they will stick out of the rear guards.

Is there any 16 x 8" or 9" 1 piece phone dials that will fit the rear my 928?

Cheers,

[riber.bentsen]

If you go to around 0:48 in this video, the 928 has dished Phonies on the rear - maybe write to him and ask about offset etc?

Porsche 928 S3 vs 944 - Part 2 - YouTube

[Danglerb]

There are some 16x8 but no larger unless you have a wheel made.

Its possible and has been done to cut two wheels in half and make a one wider wheel by welding the larger halves together (you may need more practice before trying this Leo).

Main catch with 16" wheels is finding good tires in that size, they are getting pretty rare especially for those with the need for a wider rear than the front.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

...you may need more practice before trying this Leo

Dammit, there goes my side job.

[928jr]

Cheers for your help guys, I have talked to a guy running 87+ 8" 944 rims as apparently these have a compatible 52.3mm offset. They don't project inwards at all so the extra inch is added to the outer side of the wheel.

What I have concluded so far (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong):

The dished ones are from 944's from years 86 and earlier, as far as I know these have a 23.3mm offset that stick out 55mm more than my current rims... but also have 29mm more clearance on the inside.

The 81-84 928 (unfortunately mine is a 79 model) have a longer stud with a factory 21mm spacer, removing the spacer and using open lug nuts will mean the earlier 'lipped' wheels will just fit under the guards

Good spotting Riber, that car is identical to how I would like my 928 to look, it's even silver! Even though the author wasn't able to help me with offset etc they did confirm that the car was definitely running dished 944 rims. I think the car must have been a 81-84 model as mentioned above.

Another option is to get 3 piece autostrada monza's like these!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4912712901_bb9a4016bd.jpg

Modifying a set of dished 944 rims would be ideal for both handling and perfect fit, I'm going to take my car down to these guys: extensivewheelservices.com.au who recon they might be able to widen the existing wheels without me having to do any modifications to guards etc. Good point though Danglerb, I hadn't even thought about getting tyres yet!

Thanks again for your help!

[76FJ55]

On my 85 I'm running Panamera 18x9-43 offsets on the rear with the factory spacer. So if the spacer where removed I should be able to go to a 9 in wheel with 22 offset. Would seem to me that if you're looking at an 8 in wheel no spacer would allow for a 9mm offset wheel. So you shouldn't have any issues with the 23 mm offset 944 rims on the back. Should actually even be able to add a spacer to push them out a bit if you really want the wells to look full.

Front's a different story. I believe 52 mm is the limit there.

[wallstreet]

A wheel service in MN used to cut two 6" Fuchs and weld them together to make a 10" Fuchs wheel for an earlier 911. I believe the wheels were over $1000 usd for two wheels several years ago. They were almost useless/priceless/worthless for resale.

1986.5 Turbo 944 w/ 16x9 Fuchs (older 23.3 offset altho this wheel was a larger ET (I can not remember; maybe 60) system. The nine inch was an 8" Fuchs (which is a seven w/ 1 inch to the outside) with an inch toward the inside. (Sorry for the confusion)

To run a newer 1987 (PhoneDial, forged or pressure cast slotted, D-90 or 996 type wheel) add a 20+mm hub centric spacer off eBay from the guy in Reno Nevada and the system is converted to a newer 53.3mm ET.
You might find the D-90 in 16x9. Then run a D-90 8" in the front.
If you remove the OEM 21mm spacer could you run a -86.5 wheel? Then the only wheel MIGHT be the Fuchs 16x9 1986.5 Turbo for about $700 each and the same for a front in 8". That is the wheelset i have on a 1986.5 NA 944. Fills in perfect on F& R

Other wise you might keep the 21mm OEM and ADD a 20 mm spacer to accommodate the newer ET. This depends on the 911/944/928 conversuin and the 928 ET
Wouldn't it be more cost effective to purchase four matching wheels with the correct ET? You would have staggered 9/8 wheels that match each other and the style of the car. A "Twist non OEM" wheel in aftermarket is 9/8 it fills the fender and it fits.

Originally Posted by 928jr

Cheers for your help guys, I have talked to a guy running 87+ 8" 944 rims as apparently these have a compatible 52.3mm offset. They don't project inwards at all so the extra inch is added to the outer side of the wheel.

What I have concluded so far (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong):

The dished ones are from 944's from years 86 and earlier, as far as I know these have a 23.3mm offset that stick out 55mm more than my current rims... but also have 29mm more clearance on the inside.

The 81-84 928 (unfortunately mine is a 79 model) have a longer stud with a factory 21mm spacer, removing the spacer and using open lug nuts will mean the earlier 'lipped' wheels will just fit under the guards

Good spotting Riber, that car is identical to how I would like my 928 to look, it's even silver! Even though the author wasn't able to help me with offset etc they did confirm that the car was definitely running dished 944 rims. I think the car must have been a 81-84 model as mentioned above.

Another option is to get 3 piece autostrada monza's like these!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4912712901_bb9a4016bd.jpg

Modifying a set of dished 944 rims would be ideal for both handling and perfect fit, I'm going to take my car down to these guys: extensivewheelservices.com.au who recon they might be able to widen the existing wheels without me having to do any modifications to guards etc. Good point though Danglerb, I hadn't even thought about getting tyres yet!

Thanks again for your help!

[Danglerb]

I've been avoiding wheel changes like the plague, its a slippery slope to spending a LOT of $$$ and not getting a lot of bang for said $$$.

[928jr]

Thanks again for all the new replies, I've just found out that my car has the 21mm rear spacers, as far as I know these were not fitted until the 81 model, but I'm not complaining!

My car is very original and immaculate, and as I'm going to be registering it as a classic soon, no major 'outside of era' modifications can be made, so putting near identical phonies in a wider width is as far as I can go. +the phone dials look surprisingly good on my car I think.

My next job is to find a good priced pair of these wheels in AUS, hopefully thats not too difficult!

Cheers!

[Danglerb]

Originally Posted by 928jr

My next job is to find a good priced pair of these wheels in AUS, hopefully thats not too difficult!

Cheers!

So far all I have found the owners have been well aware of the rarity.