Bat 964

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Macroni

$96,000....... I am eating crow and officially apologize at my characterization........ 911R knows how to sell cars.........

Maybe it was the history posted by the cranky old guys in 924s that let the buyer know just what a great car it is even though the seller tried to ruin it.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Maybe it was the history posted by the cranky old guys in 924s that let the buyer know just what a great car it is even though the seller tried to ruin it.

What gratitude.


archer911  83




Kissing it goodbye and all the worthless comments from non bidders.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by voitureltd

What gratitude.


archer911  83




Kissing it goodbye and all the worthless comments from non bidders.

what?

we don't actually buy cars here... we just pretend we might buy a car here...

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by Macroni

$96,000....... I am eating crow and officially apologize at my characterization........ 911R knows how to sell cars.........

Yes it seems BAT has buyers and sellers on that site that like well modded Porsches, surprise! 911R has been getting some nice cars and decent prices as have others. I would check into BAT if I ever seriously think of selling a modded 930. It seems like the cars are being sold by tons of pictures and the comments from the peanut gallery can sometimes really help. Some with good experience and of course by some who know little, but the buyers seem to sort it out. Also it seems like dealers do a lot of the prep and selling. I wonder if they take consignments and then do the prep and photos? Besides I like mine uncleaned underneath as most are barely dirty from use since new and cleaning would ( to me ) make them less ( in original condition ) after decades of careful use. Besides cleaning undersides can help disguise previous body repairs but those cleaned underside looks really good in photos. This type of selling like on BAT could become the new norm unless some buyers get a bad one. That of course is less likely to happen with a pro PPI and in person drive and inspection, however that requires more time than many have, so BAT has developed a great niche.

[BLACK3.2]

I bid on it. I can't believe how high it went. Can't be registered in CA, doesn't even have heat!

[JMS935]

That's what I refer to as BaT sh|t crazy retail! It's essentially bidding with blinders on as to what the rest of the market is doing, sellers are getting prices they couldn't dream of anywhere else. It seems to be a gravy train for sellers. I doubt I'd ever be a buyer on BaT due to how out of hand the bidding gets. Those of us that are of the more well informed wouldn't come close to paying BaT sh|t crazy retail. Props to 911r though, as he sure knows how to sell cars on BaT! That's a helluva niche he's got on there.

[Macroni]

This number seems so fantastic given C2 & RSA values.....

Is there any possibility the car was flipped among amigos. Much like when a private equity firm has a fund closing and another PE firm swoops in and bids the fund to fully valued.... Preserves everyone’s reputation..... or have I become too cynical and bitter at one man’s success.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Macroni

This number seems so fantastic given C2 & RSA values.....

Is there any possibility the car was flipped among amigos. Much like when a private equity firm has a fund closing and another PE firm swoops in and bids the fund to fully valued.... Preserves everyone’s reputation..... or have I become too cynical and bitter at one man’s success.

On a one-off hot rod? There’s no point in doing that. You’re talking about “marking the market”, which only helps your position if you’re holding a lot of others just like it. As a trader I used to do that with my options positions overnight. A one-off custom hot rod isn’t something you’d do that with, though, but I agree with you that the price paid for this is so fantastically silly it almost seems fishy. It sure seems to be consistent with all of the air cooled P cars, though, as there’s been some stupid silly money paid recently for a 996 turbo S cab and an ‘89 930 coupe. Both so far above the market that they’re a kin to buying a new boat, as in worth substantially less by the time they get ‘em home.

[Rick Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Macroni

This number seems so fantastic given C2 & RSA values.....

Is there any possibility the car was flipped among amigos. Much like when a private equity firm has a fund closing and another PE firm swoops in and bids the fund to fully valued.... Preserves everyone’s reputation..... or have I become too cynical and bitter at one man’s success.

Not sure what would be accomplished by doing that, particularly given the $4,800 buyer fee.

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[Macroni]

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

Not sure what would be accomplished by doing that, particularly given the $4,800 buyer fee.

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I know far fetched.....

[Matt Monson]

Price what it would cost you to build a 964 engine today using real 3.8RS parts. I would say $50k
Building that gearbox would cost you $12-15k. I do think the price kind of silly but I'm not really sure someone overpaid. The only thing that kept build cost down when it happened is it was mechanic built. He didn't pay any labor on it.

[littleoldman]

I agree with Matt. Well built car. Expensive to reproduce. Wasn’t the 3.8 built by a Garmoth trained mechanic and we all know they know how to build great cars.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by littleoldman

I agree with Matt. Well built car. Expensive to reproduce. Wasn’t the 3.8 built by a Garmoth trained mechanic and we all know they know how to build great cars.

He is the lead tech at Chris’s German Auto. It was his personal car. He mostly built it and Fordahl caged and set up the chassis.

[SkunkWorks]

It's just crazy that it sold for $59.5 on BaT back in October 2017.

Ducktail, Prototipo steering wheel, OEM glass reinstalled, some graphics and paintwork, and it's now a $96k car.

Well done indeed to seller.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by SkunkWorks

It's just crazy that it sold for $59.5 on BaT back in October 2017.

Ducktail, Prototipo steering wheel, OEM glass reinstalled, some graphics and paintwork, and it's now a $96k car.

Well done indeed to seller.

I stated as much on BaT right after the auction ended, and it was quickly removed for being “non-constructive”. It’s strange that stating the truth can be viewed as non-constructive, maybe they didn’t want the buyer to see it and get a quick case of buyer’s remorse. Imagine for a minute that it had sold for the same 59.5k after the minor changes made, and I then noted that you got those few mods for free instead of an additional 36.5k as I said, I bet that statement wouldn’t have been flagged and removed. Hmm...non-constructive to close the deal then I guess, cause the truth hurts sometimes. Regardless of cost to construct, it’s still a hot rodded (abused) track car, it’s not worth six figures however you crunch the numbers in my book. I don’t care what kind of lipstick (decals) you put on that pig.

[Matt Monson]

Greg said it sat in the showroom at 425 Motorsports for a number of years. It just needed to mature and ripen a bit with the market.

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by JMS935

I stated as much on BaT right after the auction ended, and it was quickly removed for being “non-constructive”. It’s strange that stating the truth can be viewed as non-constructive, maybe they didn’t want the buyer to see it and get a quick case of buyer’s remorse. Imagine for a minute that it had sold for the same 59.5k after the minor changes made, and I then noted that you got those few mods for free instead of an additional 36.5k as I said, I bet that statement wouldn’t have been flagged and removed. Hmm...non-constructive to close the deal then I guess, cause the truth hurts sometimes. Regardless of cost to construct, it’s still a hot rodded (abused) track car, it’s not worth six figures however you crunch the numbers in my book. I don’t care what kind of lipstick (decals) you put on that pig.

And probably without a ppi....seller did very well

[misterwaterfall]

Originally Posted by JMS935

I stated as much on BaT right after the auction ended, and it was quickly removed for being “non-constructive”. It’s strange that stating the truth can be viewed as non-constructive, maybe they didn’t want the buyer to see it and get a quick case of buyer’s remorse. Imagine for a minute that it had sold for the same 59.5k after the minor changes made, and I then noted that you got those few mods for free instead of an additional 36.5k as I said, I bet that statement wouldn’t have been flagged and removed. Hmm...non-constructive to close the deal then I guess, cause the truth hurts sometimes. Regardless of cost to construct, it’s still a hot rodded (abused) track car, it’s not worth six figures however you crunch the numbers in my book. I don’t care what kind of lipstick (decals) you put on that pig.

That same seller has had at least one other questionable auction with a 997.1 gt3 going for way over market. Fishy history IMO

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by misterwaterfall

That same seller has had at least one other questionable auction with a 997.1 gt3 going for way over market. Fishy history IMO

I didn’t see that one, I don’t tend to follow anything that new. I wonder if it’s actually fishy, or just the perfect setting of what seems to be a trusted seller on a website that regularly sells cars far above market value.

[jsbfoto]

I’m sitting in the Gatwick airport killing a little time before I head back to the good old USA. Thought I’d look at this thread again, always interesting. Remember that the guy that bought this car last had spent about $20k on it. Motor out reseal amongst all the other sorting it needed. The car wasn’t nice when he got it, now it is. Like someone mentioned, try to build this car for what it sold for.... As for the conspiracy mongers, BAT charges 5% up to $5k, that would be a pretty expensive way to “prop up” the market don’t you think? Perhaps a knock-out presentation and good cars have an audience, who would have thought... There is a reason that all the big auction houses use my services, it works. If you want top dollar for your car, presentation matters, A-GC does it right.