N/A GT3 to go away

[Mike964_61]

I don't know if any of you remember this past summer a lot of the "car industry influencers" car journalist said the new 991.2 GT3 more than likely will have a turbo on it and they will go completely away from an N/A motor. I have heard some reports on the new car that the GT3 will remain N/A, has anyone heard anything on this? Just curious.

[trader220]

Call me crazy but my guess is it will depend on the rules of the GT3 class which the car is based on?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by trader220

Call me crazy but my guess is it will depend on the rules of the GT3 class which the car is based on?

Not anymore. The Cup Car has been independent of GT3 street cars for more than a decade now.

[Rick Brooklyn]

The consensus on the GT3 forum on Rennlist seems to be that it will stay aspirated at least for the 992.1 version.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

The consensus on the GT3 forum on Rennlist seems to be that it will stay aspirated at least for the 992.1 version.

Aspirated= turbo
Non-Aspirated= No Turbo

Correct?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Aspirated= turbo
Non-Aspirated= No Turbo

Correct?

Naturally aspirated is the correct term.

[Mike964_61]

Yeah I am thinking about scooping up a 997.1 GT3 before they get out of touch. My fear is once the N/A GT3 is dead there will be a spike in the N/A GT3 market. Just trying to ahead of the curve. I believe the 991.2 GT3 will remain N/A but that could be the last N/A Porsche will make for the consumer market. Because I am sure the follow gen after that will go with boost.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Mike964_61

Yeah I am thinking about scooping up a 997.1 GT3 before they get out of touch. My fear is once the N/A GT3 is dead there will be a spike in the N/A GT3 market. Just trying to ahead of the curve. I believe the 991.2 GT3 will remain N/A but that could be the last N/A Porsche will make for the consumer market. Because I am sure the follow gen after that will go with boost.

That sort of silly thinking has been propping up the GT3 market for a few years now. But hey, if enough of you believe it, then it will become true.

[Mike964_61]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

That sort of silly thinking has been propping up the GT3 market for a few years now. But hey, if enough of you believe it, then it will become true.

Silly or not, when it comes from Lead Engineers at press conferences I guess that's nonsense as well.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Mike964_61

Silly or not, when it comes from Lead Engineers at press conferences I guess that's nonsense as well.

The nonsense is that it’s somehow special because it’s the last one. It went through the GT4 market 2 years ago. People were paying silly money for them. And then a year later were trying to sell them and taking huge hits to value. It’s your money. If you can afford to take a $30-40k hit when the bottom falls out, go for it. Or maybe you just want to own it and drive it forever.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Naturally aspirated is the correct term.

Brain cramp......

[Mike964_61]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

The nonsense is that it’s somehow special because it’s the last one. It went through the GT4 market 2 years ago. People were paying silly money for them. And then a year later were trying to sell them and taking huge hits to value. It’s your money. If you can afford to take a $30-40k hit when the bottom falls out, go for it. Or maybe you just want to own it and drive it forever.

I am talking about buying a 997.1, you honestly believe there is more bottoming out to be had in that market? Those cars have already bottomed out. I am not talking about buying a brand new car. Wires crossed somewhere....

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Or maybe you just want to own it and drive it forever.

I just want one to own one and drive. I'm cool with a 997 or 997.1. Most are low miles and the prices keep coming down.
I think the "Ohhh, its the last of the XXX model I need it for my collection" will take 25 years; if ever. A gamble that I don't have the patience for.
I buy what I like and if it somehow becomes valuable I got lucky.

[Mike964_61]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

I just want one to own one and drive. I'm cool with a 997 or 997.1. Most are low miles and the prices keep coming down.
I think the "Ohhh, its the last of the XXX model I need it for my collection" will take 25 years; if ever. A gamble that I don't have the patience for.
I buy what I like and if it somehow becomes valuable I got lucky.

I agree 100%, I want one for me. Not because its the last. I just wanted to bring up a topic that has been chatted about in some circles. Plus I don't think a 997 GT3 will ever be valuable enough to matter. At least not while I am alive. Just want one for me because it is amazing tool.

[kwah]

The GT3 market is stupid. It has got to be one of the only markets that the perceived lack of supply is driving prices up when every other car on rennlist for sale is a GT3.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Mike964_61

I am talking about buying a 997.1, you honestly believe there is more bottoming out to be had in that market? Those cars have already bottomed out. I am not talking about buying a brand new car. Wires crossed somewhere....

I do not think they are $90k cars, as sellers on RL would have you believe. They should be $60-75K. It's part of why I bought a 997.1 Cup Car instead of a street car.

When I finish up using my 987.1 Cayman S as a test mule, I plan to sell it and buy a 997.1 C4S. 80% of the car a GT3 is at half the price.

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I do not think they are $90k cars, as sellers on RL would have you believe. They should be $60-75K. It's part of why I bought a 997.1 Cup Car instead of a street car.

When I finish up using my 987.1 Cayman S as a test mule, I plan to sell it and buy a 997.1 C4S. 80% of the car a GT3 is at half the price.

Good info Matt. I have been holding out for low $80k range. I like your numbers better.
I never thought about the C4S. It's probably 80% nicer to drive on the street and your 20% less of a car during track days seems like a good compromise.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

Good info Matt. I have been holding out for low $80k range. I like your numbers better.
I never thought about the C4S. It's probably 80% nicer to drive on the street and your 20% less of a car during track days seems like a good compromise.

For years I was drinking the Mezger anti-IMS koolaid like everyone else. Then I got to work closely with BGB and Rum Bum racing the Carreras in Grand Am for a few seasons. The cars were super reliable and 100% 911s. Now I see them as a performance bargain.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Brain cramp......

Mac&Cheeze, to piggyback on what MountainManMatt said, and to provide some Midol for you cramps , all internal combustion engines aspirate, otherwise no burn would take place; naturally aspirated means that the air (and fuel, if the system is not direct injection) is drawn into the combustion chambers by the pumping () action of the pistons, rods, and crankshaft assembly alone (unassisted by other means, except for possibly the ram air effect of a intake scoop), and forced induction means that compressed air (and fuel, in many cases) is pushed into the cylinders by way of an accessory (aka - positive intake manifold pressure), such as a turbocharge or a supercharger (resulting in greatly increased horsepower and torque over their naturally aspirated counterparts). Yer welcome, bro!