Pre-73.5 911 prices....

[G450X]

I continue to see very high asking prices for long hoods, especially if they're "E" or "S" models. I know a person can ask any price they want, and I can only surmise that they really don't want to sell them, but it seems like such a waste of time to deal with callers & set up appointments for viewing when a chance at a sale is remote. I cannot fathom somebody shelling out $60k+ for even an S unless it had rare options and was an interesting color (viper green/arrow blue, etc..).

The latest Excellence lists excellent condition 911 E & S prices ('70-'73) at around $30k (E) and a few thousand more for an "S." Did they actually bring $60k prices before the economic meltdown??

I'm not talking about a low mile concours vehicle of course (I kinda understand those), but a nice 75k mile excellent condition "driver." Has anybody ever seen any of these uber high priced long hood 911's change hands?

[geshaghi]

The market for good and/or rare cars continues to be strong. I think any good driver level numbers matching pre-74 911S that has been priced at or below $60k in the last year has seen a lot of activity and in most cases sold. Much of the market has been driven by European buyers with a strong currency, which just ain't so any more, so it remains to be seen how firm prices will remain, although I continue to see good cars bring good money.

[racer]

Really nice ones were reported to bring well over $60K.. and I recall many being offered (S's) in the 70-80K range. As mentioned, much of this was driven by a strong Euro and a strong sense of nostalgia of Europeans. Excellent examples will always be worth top $$.. but not everyone realized that their car isn't the 1% of the market that commands the top money.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by G450X

I continue to see very high asking prices for long hoods, especially if they're "E" or "S" models. I know a person can ask any price they want, and I can only surmise that they really don't want to sell them, but it seems like such a waste of time to deal with callers & set up appointments for viewing when a chance at a sale is remote. I cannot fathom somebody shelling out $60k+ for even an S unless it had rare options and was an interesting color (viper green/arrow blue, etc..).

The latest Excellence lists excellent condition 911 E & S prices ('70-'73) at around $30k (E) and a few thousand more for an "S." Did they actually bring $60k prices before the economic meltdown??

I'm not talking about a low mile concours vehicle of course (I kinda understand those), but a nice 75k mile excellent condition "driver." Has anybody ever seen any of these uber high priced long hood 911's change hands?

Hi G450X - I would be interested in knowing what ranges Excellence listed for a '73 early 911T, if possible - I no longer subscribe.

Also - since you mentioned 'colour" - where in your opinion does the colour Tangerine lie in rank of coveted factory colours?

Thanks!!! ~ Baz

[Sunroof]

911Ts right now are running anywhere from mid-teens to high twenties....at their peak about two years ago, Bruce Anderson was placing a mid-thirties value for an excellent example on these cars....but of course, several low mileage cars have been advertised as high as 100k!

Back in the 70's tangerine was a common color with domestic and foreign manufacturers. In college I had a 1972 Fiat 850 in tangerine and my buddy had an X19 in lime green (viper green). Add mustard yellow, electric blue, auberge, red and sepia brown and you had one hell of a rainbow of cars. An early 911T in its original color like tangerine would be a joy to own..........as for the "coveted factory colors"? Believe it or not Dr. Porsche's favorite color was Sepia Brown. He loved it so much his personal 928 was painted in Sepia. Today attitudes toward Sepia Brown vary. It never stopped me from buying a 1973.5T in Sepia.

Its all in how much you want to retain originality. If you have a chance to buy a "T" at a good price do not let the color be a deal breaker. They are getting rarer each year. You can always re-paint if necessary....

Bob
73.5T in Sepia Brown of course

[whiterabbit]

I think some of you guys are low on the prices. I have seen three different 911t's sell in the 30's this spring. You would be extremly lucky to get one for the teens without serious wants and non stock parts. It would also be very hard to get a decent S today even at 60k that is original. I would imagine you would be looking closer to 80k plus for a mint car.

As an FYI I recently got into a bidding war on an orginal driver quality orange 911E that sold in a day for 40k sight unseen. I didn't want to send the money until I had physically seen it but someone else did...............

[G450X]

Baz,

In the May 2010 Excellence, with updated early 911 values, '73 T values:
Excellent - $25,513
Good - $19,058
so-so - $16,762

I think these values are a bit low myself, maybe the data is a bit stale (?). I know they are up several thousand $$ across the board since the May 2009 chart. If I'm not mistaken, the '73 911 T 2.4 is one of the nicer driving early 911's with better balanced internals/forged crank, etc., and a nice torque curve for everyday use.

I think tangerine is more sought after than red, white, black, or silver - but, a bit less desirable than a few other bright hues like arrow blue, viper green, etc., but that's just my opinion. Those bright colors seem to epitomize the late 60's (and most of the 70's) in the eyes of many people (and the collectors with deep pockets). I would pay (at least) several thousand extra for a "cool" color.

The funny thing for me is that Excellence lists a '73 "S" in excellent condition at $35,300 (an "E" is $28,500), which I think is under valued quite a bit. I've yet to see a nice "S" or "E" sell this low in recent years. I'm not sure where they pull their values from, but I assumed it was from actual sale data (?), maybe someone will comment with more knowledge.

Mark

[Matt Monson]

I sold my 1970 911T driver to a buyer in Europe in the summer of 2007 for just shy of $10,000. They restored the car and a year later sold it on to someone in Germany for 35,000 Euro. I don't know what that was under the exchange rates two years ago, but that would be a tick of $43,000 today, for a T with nothing special about other than "S" trim, which was a very common option in 1970. Take that FWIW.

I've always taken Anderson't market report with a grain of salt. I tend to look at his value for 'so-so' cars about what most of us would consider a decent driver. I think his bottom tier in ratings is higher than most of us would call a 'so-so' car and that many of the cars changing hands around here are less than 'so-so' under his standards. It makes his report useless for anything below what I would consider "mid-market".

[deathpunk dan]

The annual Excellence early 911 market update always seems to start internet flame wars.
Good luck finding an excellent 2.4 911S for under $50k, never mind $33.5k.

A pelican user recently posted his 2.4 T for 25k and it sold very quickly.

[techweenie]

A friend was recently able to obtain a very original '72T coupe for $26K, and has had many opportunities to sell it for a lot more money. High $40s is where the market is for a nice 2.4 T coupe with no stories. Unfortunately, because many of these cars went to bottom fishers in the 90s, there are stories aplenty around cars that have been poorly repaired or not maintained at all. It's not hard to drop $2K into an MFI setup with 100K plus miles on it. And how many mechanics really know their way around MFI these days?

The Excellence value report is a joke.

Oh, and the '72 E currently being advertised for $50K with non-matching (though S) engine? I restored that car to roller status a couple years ago. Even after buying the shell for $1200, that car had $17K or more in it before engine & seats were added and brakes/suspension set up, etc. These cars are super expensive to put together, especially after the original parts have wandered off. So any 911 with key original parts is worth $20K/+, IMO.

[berettafan]

I'll put it this way; I may soon have to replace my '70T and a nice E (not perfect, but no bs, no rust, good mfi, maint. records, original, etc) for $28.5k is my wet dream.

I don't pay any attention to S's because those cars get bounced around by people with money. People who buy to hold. **** on that, I want the driving experience and could care less about increasing values.

Nice, unmolested early 911's are still pricey cars. Wish it weren't so but it's the truth.

[whiterabbit]

Without naming specifc cars it also should be apparent that a lot of the cars (expecially S models) for sale in the lower price range 50-60k are mis advertized and hiding problems. If an S doesn't sell quick at 60k there is a reason.

Anyone who is really interested in these cars should go to the 911s registry where most cars for sale and their owners are well known. Virtually every ebay early 911 is a POS sold by flippers etc and the prices there as in Excellence are totally unrepresentative.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by G450X

Baz,

In the May 2010 Excellence, with updated early 911 values, '73 T values:
Excellent - $25,513
Good - $19,058
so-so - $16,762

I think these values are a bit low myself, maybe the data is a bit stale (?). I know they are up several thousand $$ across the board since the May 2009 chart. If I'm not mistaken, the '73 911 T 2.4 is one of the nicer driving early 911's with better balanced internals/forged crank, etc., and a nice torque curve for everyday use.

I think tangerine is more sought after than red, white, black, or silver - but, a bit less desirable than a few other bright hues like arrow blue, viper green, etc., but that's just my opinion. Those bright colors seem to epitomize the late 60's (and most of the 70's) in the eyes of many people (and the collectors with deep pockets). I would pay (at least) several thousand extra for a "cool" color.

The funny thing for me is that Excellence lists a '73 "S" in excellent condition at $35,300 (an "E" is $28,500), which I think is under valued quite a bit. I've yet to see a nice "S" or "E" sell this low in recent years. I'm not sure where they pull their values from, but I assumed it was from actual sale data (?), maybe someone will comment with more knowledge.

Mark

Mark (and all others who posted) - Thank you for your thoughts and input. I am now going to sell my car and am looking for $21K if I can sell it locally in the next week. If that doesn't pan out I will post it here complete with detail photos and written description of all I know on the car.

I just had her tuned up and she runs really nice. It's an original car with one respray of the original colour - Tangerine. 2.4 w/factory Zeniths. Almost perfect interior and trunk. No rust except for 2 small areas which could be fixed easily but I'd rather leave them for the future owner to address in their own way.

I'll keep you posted and sorry for the delay in my reply.

Regards,
Baz