1972 RS Clone Value

[Rtrorkt]

Found the link to the details of the 72 here http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/581804-1972-rs-clone-value-2.html
Given what I see, my opinion remains, this is a '72 911T restored well with RS bits.

[techweenie]

Did you buy? Are you still looking?

[Type911]

2 year old thread..

What are 73 RS clones trading for these days?

[76_rookie]

Less than what they were 3 years ago. Everyone has moved on the rs bug. It's R and ST now.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Type911

2 year old thread..

What are 73 RS clones trading for these days?

They appear to be trading in the $32-60K range, depending on details. I tried to sell a friend's car for $48K a couple years ago that would likely bring close to $60 today if he were willing to put it back on the market.

So, the rising tide of Porsche values has carried them up. Just not as much as original matching cars.

I should add that there are "outliers" that have brought over $100K in the past year. They tend to be more "tributes" than clones.

[vracer]

Originally Posted by techweenie

They tend to be more "tributes" than clones.

Interesting distinction. What's the difference?

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by vracer

Interesting distinction. What's the difference?

Like everyone, I have an opinion, but having built a couple tributes (starting way back in '77), I may have some value to add. In any case, this is my view:

The thread subject is a '72. Of course, the '72 has a unique oil system not shared by a Carrera RS, so cannot by definition be a clone unless that system is updated to 73. (for the nitpickers, there were factory prototypes, and I believe RS #001 with the '72 oil system.)

A true clone would be difficult to differentiate from the real thing, down to the 7R case, 019 MFI pump, 7200 RPM tach, metal-based ducktail, etc. In some cases, people obtain or counterfeit Glaverbel glass for their clones... Where it stops is that the thin metal of the series 1 cars cannot be duplicated. So clones tend to be copies of series 2 and 3 RSs. The "magic" of the RS is the power/weight ratio, and the best clones would be in the range of the original.

A tribute is a car that has a similar form factor. These usually have RS (or SC) flared quarters and a ducktail. Might have any engine displacement. Might have some customization...

[brock911]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Like everyone, I have an opinion, but having built a couple tributes (starting way back in '77), I may have some value to add. In any case, this is my view:

The thread subject is a '72. Of course, the '72 has a unique oil system not shared by a Carrera RS, so cannot by definition be a clone unless that system is updated to 73. (for the nitpickers, there were factory prototypes, and I believe RS #001 with the '72 oil system.)

A true clone would be difficult to differentiate from the real thing, down to the 7R case, 019 MFI pump, 7200 RPM tach, metal-based ducktail, etc. In some cases, people obtain or counterfeit Glaverbel glass for their clones... Where it stops is that the thin metal of the series 1 cars cannot be duplicated. So clones tend to be copies of series 2 and 3 RSs. The "magic" of the RS is the power/weight ratio, and the best clones would be in the range of the original.

A tribute is a car that has a similar form factor. These usually have RS (or SC) flared quarters and a ducktail. Might have any engine displacement. Might have some customization...

This is a very good analysis/opinion. The terms tributes, clones and replicas seem to be used loosely to describe a car that looks similar to an original car of unique or special status. There is a difference between the terms used as techweenie has explained.

The value of these clones is usually the determining factor, I saw one recently advertised for approximately $200,000.

Still beautiful to look at.

Enjoy your weekend.
Mike

[vracer]

Thank you, "weenerman",
Your posts always add value.

[fryardds]

Where it stops is that the thin metal of the series 1 cars cannot be duplicated. So clones tend to be copies of series 2 and 3 RSs.

Yes, thanks for the market update on these cars. I have been wondering what prices these cars have been selling for recently. Is your friends's car a 'clone'?

You probably meant to say 'a copy of a series 3 RS'. The first and second series cars were homologation cars, but the final series were produced just like the production S, E, and T models.

Interestingly, Porsche is now selling reproduction thin metal parts. They have hood, door skins, rear quarters, and fenders in thin metal. How crazy is that! I seriously doubt those will ever make it in the build of an RS clone, but you never know.

Look under the 'Highlights' section.
New Editions - Classic Genuine Parts & Literature - Porsche Classic - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

[techweenie]

The homologation cars were made with thin metal, as you know, Brian -- this is for the benefit of other readers -- and you can now buy stampings, but to assemble a car with these (very expensive) parts is an incredibly difficult job. I've seen shops replace door skins and quarter panels (in standard gauge) and it's a fair amount of work. I think the roof panel would be the most critical to reproduce (Porsche/Dansk hasn't yet) because it's the thing most people seem to test to confirm if a car is a homologation series car.

I know of cars that have sold in the past 3-4 months for $400-650K, depending on originality and condition, and as you may know, I'm brokering one for $750K that I have high confidence will sell at that price.

This steady upward tug on the 'real thing' has produced forgeries and has had an effect on the true clone market. As well as the S market...

[fryardds]

For sure the roof panel is the 'tell' for the homologation cars (unless there is a sunroof, like my car). Also the tunnel reinforcement is very hard, if not impossible to add. I have been told these new parts are galvinized and don't really fit all that well either.

Thinking about the 'clone' market, I can't remember the last time I saw a really nice one for sale.