Buyers beware.

LOWMILES · 09-17-2011, 01:30 PM

1989 Porsche Turbo WP0JB0931KS050246 I bought this car from the seller. I paid $38,000 for it. it was represented as pristine. This car is a salvage car that slipped through the reporting agencies cracks. It had been sectioned. The front clip came from a black turbo, the doors were red from a Porsche 964. It was completely repainted white. There are weld seams on the bottom belly of the car and on the A pillars to show where the front was welded in. I sent the car back, hired an attorney Bernard E. Zwillenberg 214-365-4424 Direct Dial and then hired a Private Investigator. I shipped the car back and forcefully made him take it back. He refused and the car sat on the front curb in front of house in the street until he received a subpoena. This car is a a salvage car and according to my PI's finding the seller rebuilds salvage cars. If have many many photos, so watch out for this car and the guy. Dallas Police is still investigating him. he also used the integrity of pelican, pca and rennlist to make him seem trust worthy. I have NEVER been &%$#@& from anyone in these forums as I was from this transaction.

pavulon · 09-17-2011, 03:39 PM

Sorry to read this. Was also caught in a salvaged white '89 930 mess ( WPOJB0934KS050418 ) that ended up being a 2 year legal battle involving Luxury Car Network out of Medford, OR. That car was pushed back down LCN's and the owner's throats through legal means. A giant pain in the arse. I hope you can do it w/out attroneys.

Please do post your images.

LOWMILES · 09-17-2011, 04:17 PM

Stinks. 2 year. WOW! Ive received all part of my money back. My attorneys fees, shipping in both directions, private investigators fees = $10,000ish. This is what I lose, nevertheless he is still being pursued by dallas investigators. I really did my home work and spoon fed investigator and prosecutors office. Theres definitely criminal intent. My PI dig up all kinds of great stuff.

regency · regency's Garage

LOWMILES, what's this AZZWipes Name?

Steve

73 911 T MFI Coupe, Aubergine

LOWMILES · 09-17-2011, 08:37 PM

PM sent.

vracer · vracer's Garage

LOWMILES, this is not meant as a criticism, since this entire forum is a learning experience, but didn't you have a PPI? BTW, you seem to use two different terms to mean the same thing. A front clip is fairly harmless. I'm not sure where it falls on a 911, but it is normally a couple of feet behind the front lights. Sectioning a car around the A pillar is a much different animal, and has great structural implications.
Best of luck in your fight, and many thanks for sharing your horrible experiences with us.

pavulon · 09-18-2011, 12:50 PM

I'm not trying to answer for LOWMILES here but I won't buy a daily driver w/ a "front clip"...much less an '89 930. Of course others may see such things as a near non-issue. The rub comes when things like this are a surprise or worse yet, known and not disclosed or reported. Once the money changes hands, it's can be a mess to undo.

My fiasco included a PPI. None of the problems were disclosed and the guy who did the PPI refused to take any responsibility for the obvious problems. Instead he spent a PILE of $$ on attorney fees and received the same service he gave me (karma). A year earlier, the owner had the car returned to him for the same issues I had with it (to a fellow pelican). It seems that by dragging a broker and PPI into it, he felt he was in the clear. Not so and it cost them a pile of $$ and me 2 years of sleep deprivation.

ttweed · ttweed's Garage

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Originally Posted by regency

LOWMILES, what's this AZZWipes Name?

A search of the Cars FS forum turns up an answer to this question very quickly.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/610847-1989-911-930-turbo.html

TT

LOWMILES · 09-19-2011, 09:00 AM

yeah! I brought this up to pelican guys before, then someone blocked me from speaking about it. It the for sale / classifieds section.

LOWMILES · 09-19-2011, 09:01 AM

The viper in the background was also a salvage car and was blue at one time. I have photos of it when it was totaled.

LOWMILES · 09-19-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by vracer

LOWMILES, this is not meant as a criticism, since this entire forum is a learning experience, but didn't you have a PPI? BTW, you seem to use two different terms to mean the same thing. A front clip is fairly harmless. I'm not sure where it falls on a 911, but it is normally a couple of feet behind the front lights. Sectioning a car around the A pillar is a much different animal, and has great structural implications.
Best of luck in your fight, and many thanks for sharing your horrible experiences with us.

Ive bought many many porsche from PCA, RENN and Pelican and have never once had problems like this. All the guys here have been great and treated me most fairly. This ASS used the integrity of Pelican, RENN and PCA to con me. His lies were very sophisticated. Ive been collecting Porsche for many years and NEVER once has anyone lied in such great lengths. Its very hard too fool me, but this guy penetrated my armor. Most of the time I don't need a PPI, because I 99% of people in this Porsche world are 99% honest. Usually if something is overlooked by a seller they always make good. This guy was total liar from the second I spoke until the subpoena arrived at his door. I will not let this situation tarnish my opinion of all the Porsche forums.

LOWMILES · 09-23-2011, 06:53 AM

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shannon123 · 03:51 AM

To OP.....
Its a shame you were 'taken' and I truly am sorry that anyone stoops that low, BUT its only fair that readers know your 'Ehtics' have been called into question as well at Rennlist.....a couple members suggest you were banned for your tactics. I guess when you start slinging mud, you should make sure you have not slung some already !

Go to Rennlist Discussion Forums and do a search using 'lowmiles'

LOWMILES · 09-24-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shannon123

To OP.....
Its a shame you were 'taken' and I truly am sorry that anyone stoops that low, BUT its only fair that readers know your 'Ehtics' have been called into question as well at Rennlist.....a couple members suggest you were banned for your tactics. I guess when you start slinging mud, you should make sure you have not slung some already !

Go to Rennlist Discussion Forums and do a search using 'lowmiles'

Just went to the postings and somewhat defended myself. Bunch of ambiguous crap. What happened to me was proven fraud and deception to the highest level. I had a private investigator, police department and my attorney on this guy. I have my money back finally, but he still has to deal with the LAW. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

cajun · cajun's Garage

How did you find out the car was a salvage if it "slipped through the cracks"? This would be very helpful to those of us who buy and sell these cars.

WPOZZZ · 09-28-2011, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shannon123

To OP.....
Its a shame you were 'taken' and I truly am sorry that anyone stoops that low, BUT its only fair that readers know your 'Ehtics' have been called into question as well at Rennlist.....a couple members suggest you were banned for your tactics. I guess when you start slinging mud, you should make sure you have not slung some already !

Go to Rennlist Discussion Forums and do a search using 'lowmiles'

I sold a car to Philip and have no problems with him. I told him what I wanted for the car, he made an offer, I countered then he accepted. I was a little dismayed that the car was sold later on, but I asked for a certain price and I got it. Others may have felt they were deceived, but hey, they didn't have to sell their cars to him.

WANNA930 · 09-28-2011, 06:17 PM

I don't want to get into who is right or wrong but have a few questions. On what basis did your lawyer get you a refund? I am sure you bough the car "As Is". There are plenty of cars that are sold with salvage titles. Every state has different laws as to what extent of damages have to be reported as salvage.

If the damages were under the percentage of deeming the vehicle a total loss and being branded as salvage what did he misrepresent? It wasn't a salvage vehicle?

Also where and how a vehicle can be clipped is also a state by state law. I would also think it is even more of a grey area if he legally owned both cars?

You said you sent the car back and left it in front of his house? You then abandoned the car and left it which would leave you responsible for the vehicle not him as you had already taken ownership. If you buy something and want to return it you can't just leave it a stores door step??

I understand your frustration but some of this story does not make sense??? What does a private investigator's findings have to do with your transaction. You can buy a car from a murder and it would still be yours.??

There has to be more to this as I find it hard to understand that you sent a car back like that. What shipping Co dropped it without someone signing for it?

JBurer · 10-06-2011, 08:19 AM

Wow - I remember when this car was being sold. Glad I didn't bite!

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Originally Posted by LOWMILES

Stinks. 2 year. WOW! Ive received all part of my money back. My attorneys fees, shipping in both directions, private investigators fees = $10,000ish. This is what I lose, nevertheless he is still being pursued by dallas investigators. I really did my home work and spoon fed investigator and prosecutors office. Theres definitely criminal intent. My PI dig up all kinds of great stuff.

jr993 · 10-06-2011, 05:33 PM

You said you sent the car back and left it in front of his house? You then abandoned the car and left it which would leave you responsible for the vehicle not him as you had already taken ownership. If you buy something and want to return it you can't just leave it a stores door step??

I understand your frustration but some of this story does not make sense??? What does a private investigator's findings have to do with your transaction. You can buy a car from a murder and it would still be yours.??

There has to be more to this as I find it hard to understand that you sent a car back like that. What shipping Co dropped it without someone signing for it?

I too had these same thoughts when I read this post. How do you "return" a car by abandoning it on the street in front of the prior owner's home?!? Transfer of ownership occurs after a bill of sale is delivered to the buyer or after the title is transfered at the dmv, this differs from state to state. Did you receive a bill of sale? Did you transfer title? If the title was signed over and a bill of sale was issued I don't see how this sale could have been rescinded? Caveat emptor is typically the rule of law when no warranties are expressed or implied.

LOWMILES · 10-06-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jr993

You said you sent the car back and left it in front of his house? You then abandoned the car and left it which would leave you responsible for the vehicle not him as you had already taken ownership. If you buy something and want to return it you can't just leave it a stores door step??

I understand your frustration but some of this story does not make sense??? What does a private investigator's findings have to do with your transaction. You can buy a car from a murder and it would still be yours.??

There has to be more to this as I find it hard to understand that you sent a car back like that. What shipping Co dropped it without someone signing for it?

I too had these same thoughts when I read this post. How do you "return" a car by abandoning it on the street in front of the prior owner's home?!? Transfer of ownership occurs after a bill of sale is delivered to the buyer or after the title is transfered at the dmv, this differs from state to state. Did you receive a bill of sale? Did you transfer title? If the title was signed over and a bill of sale was issued I don't see how this sale could have been rescinded? Caveat emptor is typically the rule of law when no warranties are expressed or implied.

If someone sells you a car and calls it pristine w/o and paint work or accident and the sellers lies are sophisticated enough to show intent to defraud or deceptive trade practices, then you send the car back hire a private investigator to gather all info about the can about the seller and the car. My PI came up with cold hard facts about the seller and the car. The seller knew of all the damage with this car and intentionally lied to sell the vehicle. In texas i can sue for 3x the loss if fraud is proven. There is not such thing as AS IS or Caveat Emptor if you have someone that is lying. He was served and he knew the trouble was heading his way, so he settled. He caught me in a good mood, because i was leaving for Hawaii for two months, so i settled. ( im still in hawaii ) NICE!

He was forced to take the car back. He signed the title and had a bill of sale. He knew what he did and tried to fight it, but Im the kind of guy that will come after you because of pure principle.

He picked the wrong guy to ripp off. Id love to put some gloves on in a ring with this guy. KO first round. i still hold a lot of anger toward him. The Dallas Police department " Mr Swindle " is the investigators name is still investigating him. I turn in all my findings after the settlement. I will continue to work with the police.

I hope this helped.