1973 911e

NOH20 · 09-19-2012, 06:03 PM

Help with car value:

88,000 miles. One repaint that is in good condition, car could use a repaint in the future. Body is solid.
Interior is in great condition for its age however, the front seats are not original or period correct. New front seats will be required.

Mechanicals are good. Engine pulls strong but, I have not had it compression tested. There are no records with the car currently however, they may be available according the individual who has the car.

These cars are all over the map with pricing. What's a 1973 911E in this condition worth and do you think this car will contiune to appreciate?

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Description is a bit vague. This is a coupe, right? $30K is a low/mid-point depending on many, many details. I think a '73 E has good upside potential.

NOH20 · 09-25-2012, 04:19 AM

The fenders have been flared and would need to be reshaped. The car has the wrong front seats which need to be replaced. Needs a new headliner. The dash feels plastic to me and not leather. A repaint would be needed soon. The body is solid. The COA is indicating a different color than the car is painted however, the paint code on the door matches the current color. Furthermore, there is no trace of the COA color anywhere...under dash etc. could the COA be wrong?

NOH20 · 09-25-2012, 04:20 AM

Yes on coupe with sunroof. No records at the moment. Leak down was excellent.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

CoA is sometimes wrong. Leather dashes were not offered in 1973. Possibly just under $30K value. What color is the car and has it been repainted already? If so, how well (glass out or Earl Scheib)

NOH20 · 09-25-2012, 08:49 AM

Glass out. All new seals. Light yellow

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

#117 is a love it or hate it color. But I'm thinking if the paint is still passable, and especially if the details of the repaint are good (VIN plates, paint tag not sprayed on), that you're maybe to $32-33K. How are the door pockets? Is the dash cracked?

Biggest factor is the chassis. No rust or accidents make it a candidate for high valuation

NOH20 · 09-25-2012, 09:14 AM

No cracks on dash. Chassis is solid. I love the color. Gaps are excellent. Paint is definitely passable. Low to mid 30's is what I thought would be reasonable considering what needs to be done to the car. $45k is asking.

76_rookie · 76_rookie's Garage

Ouch...

NOH20 · 09-26-2012, 04:10 PM

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Ouch...

Exactly! Too much money.

racer · 09-26-2012, 07:13 PM

Numbers matching? Correct date stamp wheels? Prices are all over the map because no two '73Es are the same. You sound more interested in profit potential than ownership. If you keep anything long enough, it usually goes up in value. Course, it gets Tboned by a drunk, that pretty much goes out the window, doesn't it.

I agree that $45K is too much given the issues you mention.

NOH20 · 09-27-2012, 04:26 PM

I have an'01 TT that I may sell. I love the older 911's but, don't want to pay crazy money for car that may be in a bubble. The prices on older 911's and 993's are out of control!

racer · 09-28-2012, 05:22 PM

Yes and no about the prices.. Adjusted for inlation, I think you might find that the cars are only returning back to their "original" sale prices.

A 911S of, say pristine 1973 condition is a $100K car (maybe more- 140K?). Well, it was also about $12-13K when new, and at least where I live, many things seem to cost about 8-10x more today than in 1973.. So 12K then is 120K now. Which is also about the same money for a new GT3.

All they've managed to do is push out the "poor" enthusiast and make it a more expensive hobby car.

NOH20 · 09-29-2012, 06:00 AM

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Yes and no about the prices.. Adjusted for inlation, I think you might find that the cars are only returning back to their "original" sale prices.<br>
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A 911S of, say pristine 1973 condition is a $100K car (maybe more- 140K?). Well, it was also about $12-13K when new, and at least where I live, many things seem to cost about 8-10x more today than in 1973.. So 12K then is 120K now. Which is also about the same money for a new GT3. <br>
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All they've managed to do is push out the "poor" enthusiast and make it a more expensive hobby car.

Excellent point. Don't get me wrong, the long hood cars have the look and feel of what the 911 was originally designed for. With that said, a GT3 versus an early 911S, that's an easy choice for me to make. I just don't think the earlier cars are worth that kind of money. It's what we saw with all original muscle cars 5 years ago. IMHO, the early cars are in a bubble. I would love one, just not at that over inflated price.

whiterabbit · 09-29-2012, 12:21 PM

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Excellent point. Don't get me wrong, the long hood cars have the look and feel of what the 911 was originally designed for. With that said, a GT3 versus an early 911S, that's an easy choice for me to make. I just don't think the earlier cars are worth that kind of money. It's what we saw with all original muscle cars 5 years ago. IMHO, the early cars are in a bubble. I would love one, just not at that over inflated price.

I don't agree 100%with this. Muscle cars only really appeal to Americans and to be honest more the new money types who suffered in the recession. Its a different story with early 911's where there is increasing global interest and an established old money global collector base with many presteige driving events to use the cars in. So my feeling is no bubble for longhoods.

Having said that if you aren't building a collection and need a sometimes day to day driver a GT3 at the same price makes way more sense. However just be prepared to loose money on the GT3 and gain on the 911E.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

The "they" who have "pushed out the poor enthusiast" are the rich enthusiasts.

Most nostalgic car purchases are some sort of 'living well is the best revenge' scenario where the car you (and maybe even your dad) could not afford when you were young & full of sap is yours now because you can write the check. I like to say a lot of these guys are trying to buy back their flat bellies and the hair on their heads (Barrett-Jackson bidders, especially).

Porsches seem to have been late to the party in appreciation, but in fact, I saw a particular '73 911S seven years ago that the owner had turned down a $130K offer for. The top end of the market for the 911S hasn't changed that much, in my view. But the broader market has become savvy about them, and that's reflected in auction prices. The Internet has made a lot of car collectors aware of overlooked marques. Because a lot of 'investment advisors' are just learning about 911s, some cars that a collector might reject for various inaccuracies are now bringing strong prices at auction. (a 911S said to have the wrong engine sold for over $160K last August)

Beyond the 911S, of course, is the Carrera RS, and those numbers are going berserk -- with asking prices over half a million now.

One more note: muscle cars appeal to Europeans. Just visit the outbound cargo yards of the container shipping companies and it's wall to wall Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds and Challengers...