What would you do? Tell me

[rnln]

If you can afford both, keep both. If not, keep the 911.

[Fatandre]

Well. Both will it have to be then :P

[Fatandre]

at least for now

[Ole Petter]

The CSi is a splendid car. A mix of competence, comfort, speed... and an unshakable feeling of specialness, coolnes and again competence. It can do almost anything for every occation. My friend have two 850's, one Ci and then the CSi. The CSi is an animal compared to the Ci. You can cruise around, then shift down the 6 speed manual gearbox and just GO - with more speed it just seem to bring more acceleration. It is just great.
His car is modified with a special exhaust, the noise is "from heaven", the springs are Eibach and with Bilstein dampers, and BBS racing wheels it makes for an even more special car. As I'm sure your CSi is as well

The car is a KEEPER

About the 911. Have you tried out various cars? An SC, a 3,2 Carrera or an early car? They are very different. The Turbo, especially the 964 Turbo is also a wide and not exactly lightweight car. Maybe a lighter more nimble 911 would make a bigger "contrast" to the CSi? And also be cheaper and make it easier to keep two enthusiast cars?

A 964 Turbo is like the CSi also a luxurious car, "silent", competent and with much comfort. An SC or earlier car feels very different to drive, and is much more alive and kicking at "sensible" speed.

Another friend of mine had a 964 Carrera 2 and later a 964 Turbo. The Turbo was a great car, but I think like the CSi it felt a bit like an Autobahn-Crusher and better the bigger the speed. The engine of course it awesome, but the turbo quietens the exhaust and the on-boost-torque dominates the experience. Overtaking is easy and power and torque massive, but that is the same with the CSi. An example - to play music on the stereo in the C2 and in the Turbo is very different. In the C2 the stereo had to compete with the "noises from the car, engine and the roar from the tyres etc". The Turbo is a much quieter car so playing the stereo is more "rewarding".

Don't misunderstand what I am trying to put down in words here. I have driven several 911's from the earliest to the later ones. All are wonderful, wonderful cars, but they are oh so different. My heart beats more the older the car. I guess there are many here that share that wiew

What I am thinking is that an older-simpler-lighter 911 might make a nice companion to the CSi. I guess I'm trying to say that I think you would bitterly regret selling the CSi, and that byuing a Turbo might make selling it a tempting possibility.
An older 911 would not do that. It is a much more raw and unpolished thing. I guess it means that I would get a torsion-bar era car, possibly an SC. This is a raw car, with little in creature comforts, you need to really use force to steer it and to brake and shift. The more you involve, the bigger the reward in the drive. It is not so much about raw speed, but more about the way the car speaks to you and communicates with you. Like Magnus Walker so nicely says about the older cars. Magnus also owns an older Turbo, by the way!

[Fatandre]

What a wonderful read Ole.
You have summed up exactly what I want to do. I dont want a turbo but a turbo look. I want to own a 911 that would be a true race car Raw. Why I mentioned the turbo look was because of the rear wider flares. I just love wide butts.
Thats why I love the e31
So you say I should look for a SC? Not a 930?
I have not driven a 911, but I know that I will love it. I have sit in one and I feel just like in the e31. Safe and ready to do some action.
I talked to Magnus and he even gave me some ideas to customize my CSI
Speaking of some e31 madness here is one.
V12 custom 48v engine. Imagine the sound from that. Like angels singing while while God sends his punishment.



Here is a pic of my butt

[MikeD930]

That's on beautiful e31 and trick looking v12 engine!

I would definitely keep the e31 and buy a 930 or an aircooled 911 if you don't want a turbo. It's silly not to want a turbo if it's not a daily driver but that's another debate.

I currently own two weekend turbo cars. An '84 Toyota Celica Supra (owned since '86) and a 930 (see my garage). Both are so different yet meets my needs depending on my mood on any given weekend. One is smooth, fast and civilized and another is raw, fast and noisy.

[Fatandre]

The reason I dont want a turbo is it would be a shame to destroy one origianl, because I tend to mod the shizah out of my cars.

[MikeD930]

I see...well it depends on your hp goals. You would be more likely to blow up a heavily modified NA aircooled 911 if you're trying to go over 300 rwhp (not sure if that's ever done reliably). A properly tuned and modified 930 will easily put out 400 rwhp while being relatively reliable comparing to a 300 rwhp NA 911 aircooled engine.

[Fatandre]

So a 930 is a Turbo?
I thought the model before the 964 is a 930.
I want a black rough 911 with the wide flares
The rest would me modded depending on my longings.
I am still not done with the CSI. Most of you know the car bug is a powerful little thing.

[Ole Petter]

For a 911 to share you time with the CSi, I would not go turbo. I would suggest to testdrive an SC and go from there. Even better would be to get the chance to drive an earlier car and also a 930. Then you really have the possibility to descide what kind of 911 really is for you.

I would guess that outright power, grip and handling is something that you get from the CSi. And that sexy look as well!

An SC or earlier 911 (the older the more so) is more about skinnier tires, less power and more about feel, rear-biased driving characteristics, less understeer, playful handling, incredible steering-feel... The less planted handling makes for a wild ride and the speed doesn't have to be crazy to have a whole lot of fun. The older the car, the lighter. Maybe that is the essence of what I want from a 911 - light weight. Not big horsepower or wide tires.

[hotvwnut]

both, that bmw is very nice

[Ole Petter]

Do you have any details about the 48v engine?
Very exciting...

[Fatandre]

Well. What I wanted from a 911 is something similar Magnus does to his cars.
I have made the e31 handle well and it has loads of power (more to come), but the 911 is something iconic in the history of motorsport.
I used to love the way the 964 looks, but the older I get and the more I get to know the motorsport world, the more I want a older 911.
I will continue to upgrade the CSI, because I have to much connection with that car, but a 911 will be in my garage. Will get a 4 post lift if the girl has a problem with loosing her space :P although the garage is my church and she can have the rest of the house

[Fatandre]

Originally Posted by Ole Petter

Do you have any details about the 48v engine?
Very exciting...

I have loads of detail.
Even know the guy making it. Not personally, but from the forum. He is from Norway
He is going for Turbo along with it
Just hard for me to do anything on the net now because my internet limit has been passed and have to w8 2 days for it to run properly again.

[Fatandre]

Was thinking about a 911 and it got me back here.
Still with the e31 but the love is stronger.

[autobonrun]

If you have the space and the money, keep two cars. If you have the money but not the space, get a lift and make the space. I would keep the bimmer as well.

You'll have much more flexibility to do repairs. You can order parts and drive the other car while they ship. You don't have to rush repairs because you have another car to drive while one's down. If you're a DIY'er, two cars make it easier.

[Fatandre]

Took a few pictures of the car. Garage is also being built (200m2)









Went also to a e31 meeting in Munich. 25 year annivers.
The pink one has 315 on the rear

[Colour me gone]

We'll for what it's worth I use a GMC 1/2 ton for work and around town. And my wife has a Honda Civic. I have an 87 Targa and an 81 SC. But they are kept in a nice clean garage and have never seen winter and only the occasional summer rain

If you can afford both the BMW and the Porsche go for it. You won't regret it

John

[Fatandre]

Yeah. The BMW is getting repaired at the moment :P