Price Check - 1973.5 911 T

Dynamik · 06-01-2013, 01:27 PM

Folks - Soliciting help with pricing for a 1973.5 911 T Targa. What is a fair asking price?

-Car is a 2 owner car with complete records. Current owner has had the car for over 30 years.
-Car was originally tangerine. Color is now Menervia Blau. Complete window and rubber out paint job in the 80s which has held up well, but there are some chips and scratches now.
-Interior is tan and is in very good condition.
-Engine was rebuilt in the 80s to 2.7 L specifications with E cams and webers (originally had the CIS system).
-Engine case and transmission are numbers matching.
-Have original tools, jack, radio (not installed) and manuals.
-Had some front end repair work done from a low speed (car was rolling) impact.
-Unknown miles but records could probably piece it together. I think the odometer was reset at the time of the engine rebuild. I would guess the car has about 100k miles.
-Recent and extensive work to get the car mechanicals operating nominally.

Pictures below. The ugly rubber whale tale is being removed next week and the original rear lid is being painted and installed.

christiandk · christiandk's Garage

A couple of years ago this would be a parts car.....today...with the help of Bernanke and his fellow crooks it will probably be 20K+.

Milesaway · Milesaway's Garage

73.5 more like $30k these days if all put back to stock.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Miles knows the market.

Putting this car back to stock is $15K.

Pricing it for the optimist who (foolishly) thinks he can do it for less, I'd say $17-18K as it sits.

CountD · 06-01-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynamik

The ugly rubber whale tale is being removed next week and the original rear lid is being painted and installed.

Thanks so much for doing this. I really like the car, it looks great, and will look even better with the new (or should I say old) lid. I say if you clean it up (a good serious detail) and take nice photos and this thing should do really well. Right now, with the detail and the rear lid done I would say $22K but that's me. It looks great in blau...

76_rookie · 76_rookie's Garage

That's too bad about he engine. Would make a nice 73.5 if the engine is untouched. I concur with Miles.

Matt Monson · 06-01-2013, 10:35 PM

Is the engine original and rebuilt as a 2.7l (possibly with factory RS p&c, which were commonly available in years past)? Or is it a 2.7 that was put in as replacement? Numbers matching with increased displacement is worth a bit more than if the original engine is gone.

msort81 · 06-02-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CountD

Thanks so much for doing this. I really like the car, it looks great, and will look even better with the new (or should I say old) lid. I say if you clean it up (a good serious detail) and take nice photos and this thing should do really well. Right now, with the detail and the rear lid done I would say $22K but that's me. It looks great in blau...

Buy a new lid and repaint that. The period colors are the most desirable. And if like Matt said the motor is original with factory parts If you sell as a resto the next owner might well want to bring the car back to origianal color. Possibly matching the tone of the deck lid. It's a cool feature keep it.

Dynamik · 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Is the engine original and rebuilt as a 2.7l (possibly with factory RS p&c, which were commonly available in years past)? Or is it a 2.7 that was put in as replacement? Numbers matching with increased displacement is worth a bit more than if the original engine is gone.

The engine case is the original (numbers matching) and was rebuilt with Mahle 2.7L Ps & Cs.

Dynamik · 06-02-2013, 07:06 AM

I should mention the car drives strong and handles well. So this car is probably not for someone looking for an all original example. The engine modifications increased the hp and eliminated the finicky CIS problems.

Matt Monson · 06-02-2013, 08:31 AM

Don't paint the deck lid. Just include it with the sale. Ask low $20's.

E Sully · E Sully's Garage

I'd agree with techweenie. If you have the orignial 2.4 P&C and CIS system, I would up the price.
Engine work will bring more horse power, but the real value is in originality. The rims also woulld need to be original. CIS is not finicky. When set up correctly it works great.

Dynamik · 06-02-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by E Sully

The rims also woulld need to be original.

Wheels are original. Not all 73s came with Fuchs. Some came with cookie cutters.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

The cookies were common on '73.5 Ts.

The 73.5 CIS is a 1/2 year only item, and can be difficult to source. I've heard CIS called lots of things, but "finicky?" Not so much.

Dynamik · 06-02-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by techweenie

I've heard CIS called lots of things, but "finicky?" Not so much.

Call it what you want. This is a supplemental article from Wayne's 101 Projects book and describes what I was referring to.

"Although the CIS has a reputation for reliability, it is also known for having a few characteristic problems. Warm and cold start problems are common, as well as backfiring and poor performance at startup. On the early 911s, the CIS didn’t even operate properly, until the car was warmed up. A hand throttle was a standard part of the car in order to facilitate easier starting and warm-up. "

Matt Monson · 06-02-2013, 09:53 AM

There is a nut for every shell. With a repaint this car is not original. With that, the actually displacement and fuel delivery become secondary in my mind. It is a numbers matching driver. Different buyer than someone looking for an original paint all original patina car. And those buyers today are willing to pay $20 for a car like this.

Dynamik · 06-02-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

There is a nut for every shell. With a repaint this car is not original. With that, the actually displacement and fuel delivery become secondary in my mind. It is a numbers matching driver. Different buyer than someone looking for an original paint all original patina car. And those buyers today are willing to pay $20 for a car like this.

Thanks. That sums up the situation well.

Wiese · 06-02-2013, 10:56 AM

If it drives and handles well, this is a $20K car all day long for the right buyer. If I were in the market I'd be interested. At least you could enjoy and drive this car without having to worry about your concourse classic.

Prices in Canada may be a bit higher as well, but also a smaller market of buyers.

E Sully · E Sully's Garage

The way the market is now, you may want to get a COA, advertise it as numbers matching with modifications listed for $25,000. I have seen some strangely high prices paid for a solid body longhood.

Sunroof · 06-03-2013, 07:03 AM

I would agree with Sully and several others in that the asking price should be 25K or higher given the overall condition of the car. The longhoods are becoming rare and the values are increasing and will continue to rise.

28K is a good start without the spolier!

Bob
73.5T

PS. as for the CIS? yes, the hand throttle makes life with the CIS bearable on cold start but as a sports car purist it was the same for my old MG, Triumph and Healey.