'86 PTS value

[GBX]

The white car I was looking at fell thru and I happened to come across another interesting '86 (info below). Any idea what something like this should sell for? Are PTS cars worth more? 50k miles is nice but at the same time it worries me when a car isn't driven. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Thanks guys!

VEHICLE DESCRIPTION
1986 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe
Rare Factory Paint to Sample
53,000 Original Miles

Exterior: Metallic Paint-to-Sample Coral Orange Metallic
Interior: Black

This particular 911 currently has a well maintained 53,000 miles with a clean and clear history. The five speed transmission is smooth and great to drive. This 911 has excellent handling and classic Porsche styling. This unique 911 is a great introduction into the Porsche experience and offers a lot of value. Highly equipped with Leather seats, steering wheel with raised hub, limited-slip differential, power door locks, 16 inch forged alloy wheels, cruise control, sport shock absorbers and electric sunroof. The vehicle comes complete with the original window sticker, invoices, books, tools, and extensive records and owner history.

[steely]

I would think if it passes a PPI, the low miles would be a big plus.
Having the records is a plus too.
I don't know if PTS makes it anymore special either (or what value the exclusivity of the color choice would add), but again, I would think that as long as you love the color, it sounds really good overall.

I think that the seller would base the asking price more on the car's condition and lo mileage and less on the color (which might appeal to fewer buyers).

Try comparing the price to other cars of similar mileage and condition, and ignore the color to determine if it they're asking a fair value.

This is just my opinion.

I would love to see it.

[Bob Kontak]

I found it. That car is nice looking. Very stinkin' clean. Big addition to simple beauty with no tail.

They are axin' top dollar which is expected. Selling price though, high 20's. Perhaps very high 20's as emotion will enter into this sale. Whether you or someone else.

Downside is that second generation part needs are going to present themselves. The usual fare.

Paint to sample is one person's view of beauty. It's a great color but I don't think it adds or detracts from value. Key is if the paint is factory and in awesome shape, you don't have to repaint it and you have factory paint. Repaint $$ is huge. More than an engine rebuild.

It's no more than a loaded Camry and you know how sexy that car is. Not.

Edit: Not posting link to car. OP can if he wishes

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

I found it. That car is nice looking. Very stinkin' clean. Big addition to simple beauty with no tail.

They are axin' top dollar which is expected. Selling price though, high 20's. Perhaps very high 20's as emotion will enter into this sale. Whether you or someone else.

Downside is that second generation part needs are going to present themselves. The usual fare.

Paint to sample is one person's view of beauty. It's a great color but I don't think it adds or detracts from value. Key is if the paint is factory and in awesome shape, you don't have to repaint it and you have factory paint. Repaint $$ is huge. More than an engine rebuild.

It's no more than a loaded Camry and you know how sexy that car is. Not.

Edit: Not posting link to car. OP can if he wishes

If the car is in as good shape as you say, low 30s might be where it's at. Seems 3.2 cars have really picked up speed in the last six months. Ludicrous speed. They might have even gone to plaid.

[Arne2]

I'm with Bob. Nice car. The value is in the condition and low miles. Color may help sell, but no more than any not-common color. I also doubt that PTS adds additional value, but doesn't detract either.

[Bob Kontak]

Probably ought to post the Link GBX - We are in the ball park.

[cvlcporsche]

It looks like a nice car but doesn't look exceptional. I personally like the color. I think it's strong at asking price, I think the money is $27k if its original paint, history verifies mileage (too me it looks like a 80-110k mile car based on the interior but photos aren't real life so who knows) and PPI doesn't turn up anything major.

[javadog]

I don't think the option "paint to sample" has any value, apart from what value is added or subtracted by the color of the car. That's to say, if most people like the color better than the other colors Porsche offered in 1986, then it might add a little value. The color can also hurt the value, if it is one that doesn't appeal to many buyers.

I've looked at the ad and I don't think the car is in exceptional condition. It's not even well detailed for sale. I think the seller is asking way too much for what he's presenting. Had the car been kept in better shape while he owned it, that would be another thing.

I wouldn't be worried about the low mileage.

JR

[Hellraiser]

google result:

Excellence :: Porsches for Sale : 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera for sale in Winchester, Virginia

[GBX]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Downside is that second generation part needs are going to present themselves. The usual fare.

Bob, what do you mean by this, refering to second generation parts?

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Probably ought to post the Link GBX - We are in the ball park.

Happy to do so - TMC - Inventory

Originally Posted by cvlcporsche

It looks like a nice car but doesn't look exceptional.

Originally Posted by javadog

I've looked at the ad and I don't think the car is in exceptional condition. It's not even well detailed for sale. I think the seller is asking way too much for what he's presenting. Had the car been kept in better shape while he owned it, that would be another thing.
JR

What makes you guys say this? Can you be more specific? I'm not noticing much from the pics other then the front spoiler being a little "off" and a small scratch on the front bumper. Would love it if you could point out the issues with the car, interior and exterior!

Thanks for everyone's help.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by javadog

I've looked at the ad and I don't think the car is in exceptional condition.

Defer to this advice. I get stars in my eyes when I see a clean coupe.

I mean, I could be seen in this car, but on closer inspection of some of the interior bits, they could have dressed it up a bit more like JR says. Just a little hide food or something.

This is not a $20k Carrera though. Even w/o the G50 premium, I think it will fetch $25. $27 if they got time.

[javadog]

Faded, stained wheels. Brake dust on the back sides of the wheels that has been there forever. Wear to the driver's seat. Scratches and scuffs in the leather. Delaminated backing for the carpet in the rear right jump seat. Faded plastic on the interior that would take 5 minutes to fix. Not my favorite oil filter. Trunk carpet not installed correctly. Nicks in the paint on the drivers side lock post from the seat belt tang hitting the car when he took the belts off.

Etc.

I think if a seller can't be bothered to detail a car for sale, I'll wager that he didn't treat it much better when he drove it. As an example, here are a couple of photos of a 60k mile '86 targa that I wholesaled for $18k a couple of years ago. Note that it is a much more heavily optioned car.

JR

[ZAMIRZ]

^I agree. That car looks tired for 53K miles.

[GBX]

Thanks guys. You've really opened my eyes about this one...no pun intended!! Dont think this one's for me. He wants $29.5k. I got more pics of the color and its much more red then orange....not my taste. Let me know if y'all come across anything interested

[j_mancini]

Now listed for the low low price of $33.5K on The Samba:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1513804

[SilberUrS6]

Nobody could have predicted that result!

The problem is that the market seems to be in flux. The spread between what Pelicans are willing to pay and what the asking prices seems to be is growing daily.

There is going to be a correction somewhere, soon.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by javadog

As an example, here are a couple of photos of a 60k mile '86 targa that I wholesaled for $18k a couple of years ago. Note that it is a much more heavily optioned car.

Beautiful 86.

What do you think that would sell for in the retail market today?

[javadog]

I really have no idea, since I'm not following the market. Perhaps $25k?

JR

[MrBonus]

I just found it too. It's a clean looking car, a bit of wear on the seats, and I doubt that dealer is budging off of anywhere short of $29,000 for it. If it were private party, you probably could get closer to the mid-20s for it.

[Macroni]

That is a $30,000 car +/- $500. Could use a good detailing but the lack of elbow grease is the buyers gain!


The color is a plus to the equation. If it was a G50 it would be almost a $40,000 car.

Keep in mind the appreciation curve of the longhoods.....