Turbo 3.6 pricing?

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Menmojo

It appears on the surface to be a really nice car, however.......
Look at the pictures of the case closely.
One half is a 7R case the other half is a 6R case.......
What other mismatched parts are under the skin?

There were only 350 stock US spec MY 1994 turbo 3.6's imported into the US & Canada. There are less than 200 remaining in the US that we know of. The first 288 were actually built as 1993 MY cars and carry option code M718 which allowed Porsche to change vin from a P code to R code. There were some bins building going on at Porsche during the mid 90's and some strange things have occurred from the factory but it doesn't devalue these cars. They have surpassed the 993TT in value and IMO one of the most fun air cooled turbocharged Porsche's made In some cases a low mileage 94 will out sell a higher mileage 993TTS which owners argued for years would never happen.

I believe you will find the 94 will surpass almost all other air cooled turbo cars except for a few ultra rare low mileage pristine examples.

I hope they get their price I have two Amazon green Porsche's a great color but nothing like the cobalt which everyone who sees it states it is their favorite Porsche they have ever seen. rare colors are not easy to come by probably less than 30% of all 94's were painted special order paints so the market will pay up for these as well.

[JBurer]

My old car. Not at all accurate in the description with respect to the parts on the car.

Re condition - It's a driver quality car photographed and described to be tip top.

Originally Posted by dporsche74

the Bargain of the month for a 965

Porsche 911 Turbo | eBay

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Nachtfalter

The wood dash and RV style center console on the first one are hideous.

The massive plastic bumpers are hideous on the 89-94 cars.
What was Porsche thinking ?

[comintern]

Originally Posted by pmax

The massive plastic bumpers are hideous on the 89-94 cars.
What was Porsche thinking ?

The "massive plastic bumpers" follow the lines of a mid-'60s 911 bumpers down to an inch. They looked out of place because of the US ride height.

Check out an early 911 next to a 964, the similarity between the two is almost scary, given the time difference.

Once a 964 is properly lowered, it is in a world of it's own.

The 964 offers the best mix of looks, technology and experience in a 911 in my opinion. I would like one for a daily driver. Targa, tip, cat delete, cup 1's, etc..

Joe

[pmax]

Originally Posted by comintern

The "massive plastic bumpers" follow the lines of a mid-'60s 911 bumpers down to an inch. They looked out of place because of the US ride height.

Check out an early 911 next to a 964, the similarity between the two is almost scary, given the time difference.

Once a 964 is properly lowered, it is in a world of it's own.

The 964 offers the best mix of looks, technology and experience in a 911 in my opinion. I would like one for a daily driver. Targa, tip, cat delete, cup 1's, etc..

Joe

Perhaps.
The 959 looks great with well designed bumpers, massive but it's integrated perfēctly.
The 993 also looks fine in this regard.

The 964 on the other hand, when you look at one, the bumpers immediately dominate the aesthetics in a negative way.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

Perhaps.
The 959 looks great with well designed bumpers, massive but it's integrated perfēctly.
The 993 also looks fine in this regard.

The 964 on the other hand, when you look at one, the bumpers immediately dominate the aesthetics in a negative way.

Interesting you think that. That was my original thought when they first came out but I also thought the bellows bumpers were the worst afterthought ever. After restoring a 71 911 E back in the 70's everyone in the local Porsche Club thought the bellows bumpers with their massive look was a last minute afterthought to comply with the US bumper regulations. I owned several bellows bumpers cars but it was always a love hate relationship that is why I purchased a 74 RS clone that used factory IROC bumpers that blended into the looks of the car much better.

Now that I have been around these cars I have grown to appreciate all three looks. Although the original long nose was the cleanest looking the 964 when lowered takes on a nice clean line. IMO the worst of them is the 993 the front end just does nothing for me the word bland comes to mind and the side rockers just don't transition properly and only look great from behind..

I had my turbo at a car show yesterday with I have to say some of the cleanest examples of all MY 911's I have seen in one gathering in many years. Over 20 people came up to me and secretly said my turbo was the nicest 911 there not only for the color but for how the lines work so well together. There was an absolutely stunning 930 S with boxed rockers and side vents there. Most compared my car to it and they felt the look looked very dated yet they felt the 964 was timeless and would take the 964 turbo over any of them.

I never really thought about it because I like them all now but I have to agree the bellows bumpers are starting to show their age and still look like an afterthought to me.

I can't tell you how many shows I go to and hear the same thing over and over. I guess there is a reason why these are eclipsing most other variations of the 911 in value.

[JBurer]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Interesting you think that. That was my original thought when they first came out but I also thought the bellows bumpers were the worst afterthought ever. After restoring a 71 911 E back in the 70's everyone in the local Porsche Club thought the bellows bumpers with their massive look was a last minute afterthought to comply with the US bumper regulations. I owned several bellows bumpers cars but it was always a love hate relationship that is why I purchased a 74 RS clone that used factory IROC bumpers that blended into the looks of the car much better.

Now that I have been around these cars I have grown to appreciate all three looks. Although the original long nose was the cleanest looking the 964 when lowered takes on a nice clean line. IMO the worst of them is the 993 the front end just does nothing for me the word bland comes to mind and the side rockers just don't transition properly and only look great from behind..

I had my turbo at a car show yesterday with I have to say some of the cleanest examples of all MY 911's I have seen in one gathering in many years. Over 20 people came up to me and secretly said my turbo was the nicest 911 there not only for the color but for how the lines work so well together. There was an absolutely stunning 930 S with boxed rockers and side vents there. Most compared my car to it and they felt the look looked very dated yet they felt the 964 was timeless and would take the 964 turbo over any of them.

I never really thought about it because I like them all now but I have to agree the bellows bumpers are starting to show their age and still look like an afterthought to me.

I can't tell you how many shows I go to and hear the same thing over and over. I guess there is a reason why these are eclipsing most other variations of the 911 in value.

That's a really spectacular car, Anthony!

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by JBurer

That's a really spectacular car, Anthony!

Thanks

I had the car at two shows this weekend and drove it the most miles i have in years I forget how involving and fun these cars can be on the street.

[pmax]

Very nice color.
The design proportion of the 964 definitely works better with the lines of the turbo.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

Very nice color.
The design proportion of the 964 definitely works better with the lines of the turbo.

i won't argue with you there

[jturbo3.6]

Porsche 911 Turbo 3 6 Coupe 2 Door | eBay


this one with bids,

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by jturbo3.6

Porsche 911 Turbo 3 6 Coupe 2 Door | eBay


this one with bids,

Are those bugs on the front bumper? No speedlines so that will hurt its value looks like it has been driven hard. Sport seats are nice.

BTW I hear Top Gear has several for sale but for a lot more than the bidding is at here.

[galileo]

No speedlines make a big difference. Sport seats are rare.

[GothingNC]

Asking $275,000 for this 94 Turbo

Motorcar Investments, Inc. - (919) 851-4044, Raleigh, NC 27606

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by GothingNC

Asking $275,000 for this 94 Turbo

Motorcar Investments, Inc. - (919) 851-4044, Raleigh, NC 27606

Not a bad price i know of several that recently traded hands for over $300k.

[christiandk]

5 years ago a pristine car would go for high 50s. Impressive stuff.

I guess that there is a lot of cash around these crazy days......

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by christiandk

5 years ago a pristine car would go for high 50s. Impressive stuff.

I guess that there is a lot of cash around these crazy days......

Not a 3.6 they never got that low unless they were over 50k miles needing work. Not sure where those cars are now. Numbers were closer to $70k for decent examples and upper $80's to low 90's for supper clean ultra low mileage cars. I have seen some cars I knew had issues back 7 years ago sell recently for $190's to $240's. You have to check each car individually they are not all the same.

When you consider how low the production numbers are that is quite reasonable. Turbo S's are bringing well into the $700k range now when they were fetching between $150 and $200k back then.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Not a 3.6 they never got that low unless they were over 50k miles needing work. Not sure where those cars are now. Numbers were closer to $70k for decent examples and upper $80's to low 90's for supper clean ultra low mileage cars. I have seen some cars I knew had issues back 7 years ago sell recently for $190's to $240's. You have to check each car individually they are not all the same.

When you consider how low the production numbers are that is quite reasonable. Turbo S's are bringing well into the $700k range now when they were fetching between $150 and $200k back then.

Well, I could have bought 2 very low mls bone stock cars in 2009. One was 59k, the other just above 60k. They had books and all

EDIT. It was in the fall of 2008.

Seller (flipper) was the guy I bought my old Venetian Blau Carrera from. The infamous Phillip Haupt. He had an eye for good cars, though.

[ClassyCarrera]

Low end now should be the 200's and high would be the 300's
I had a couple recent that sold for Mid 200's for good condition and mid miles 50k and under. And yes they are being bought by collectors. I have a list of people waiting for them. To me its one of the best Turbos to have.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Well, I could have bought 2 very low mls bone stock cars in 2009. One was 59k, the other just above 60k. They had books and all

EDIT. It was in the fall of 2008.

Seller (flipper) was the guy I bought my old Venetian Blau Carrera from. The infamous Phillip Haupt. He had an eye for good cars, though.

I will have to take your word on it. I have followed the market very closely since 2001 and I had seen cars with low mileage sell in that price range but they all had some kind of accident history, car fax issue, missing original parts (speedlines) or were heavily modified. Very few had original documentation? All these things add value today.

It was rare to find one in the less than $65k price range unless they had over 50k miles. There was a time I was contacted nearly weekly with questions about one car or another. Not as often today since so few show up for sale. So many left the US leaving I estimate less than 200 here. I know of a very rare pristine example making its way back to the states. maybe the weakening Euro might have us see more of these return but they are all being locked away in collections.

I tracked nearly 200 3.6T's for a while and when i found mine I grabbed it immediately. I have seen many with lower miles but very few with the documented history and were as well cared for as mine was. I was lucky to find it in what I consider to be one of the best color combos and the only one of its kind in the US.

Originally Posted by ClassyCarrera

Low end now should be the 200's and high would be the 300's
I had a couple recent that sold for Mid 200's for good condition and mid miles 50k and under. And yes they are being bought by collectors. I have a list of people waiting for them. To me its one of the best Turbos to have.

I agree. Low production with the best of both worlds. As nice as the 930's are the 3.6T took it to another level with modern amenities and function while retaining most of the old school raw visceral feeling and charm.

There are very few cars never mind Porsche's I would consider worth owning over it.