1973 911rs real deal with 40000 original miles

[airheads]

What's it worth? I will be looking at the car Thursday or Friday with the oppurtunity to purchase. All I know know is it has 40000 original miles and its running and driving. Any info on price would be awesome. Thanks

[saxen]

450000-2000000

[Menmojo]

Condition and history will dictate pricing.....
It's a guessing game without more details.
Please post some photos and keep us updated.
This sounds very exciting!

[mobius911]

These are pretty much pure collector cars now, not enthusiast's cars. So I'm not sure Pelican is the best place to get value advice. But I'll give it a shot.

The problem is that prices on these have a pretty huge spread. A basket case if most everything is there is probably around $400k. A preserved original RS Sport (lightweight) sold recently for $1.4M. There's your range.

You also need to know all the telltales of a real RS, and would want an expert to help guide you through an inspection if you're really serious. Too many fakes out there. If you have the serial number we can determine the original configuration, color, options, and country of original delivery.

[airheads]

Thanks guys. I understand without details its tough to figure out. I should have put in my post ballpark figures.

[Menmojo]

I would recommend checking out the early 911s registry forum as well as the Ferrari chat forum.
Both of these forums have a lot of very knowledgable people.

[pc100porsche]

This RS sold for $506K early last year :
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/747451-73-rs-506k.html

[mobius911]

Originally Posted by pc100porsche

This RS sold for $506K early last year :
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/747451-73-rs-506k.html

The way this market is moving 18 months is an eternity. This is the Hagerty price chart for the touring version. Note that Hagerty was actually a bit behind the market when that car sold. Will it stay on fire? Who knows. Next Hagerty update comes out sometime this month.

[pu911]

Hire an expert on RS's, more than a few fake cars out these. The valuation of these depends on many very small details.
Phil

[ficke]

Originally Posted by pu911

Hire an expert on RS's, more than a few fake cars out these. The valuation of these depends on many very small details.
Phil

This is the best advice, You are dealing with to much money to go at this with out an expert at your side.

[NYNick]

Half a million is almost a bargain for these cars these days. Of course more than one expert should be involved in this kind of car and transaction.

It's a sellers market, that's for sure, and the owner could ask just about anything.

[techweenie]

The RSs are among the most thoroughly documented cars on the market. Easy to see original color and equipment; easy to see proper engine number.

There are probably over a dozen cars with duplicate VINs out there floating around and another batch where the VIN was applied to a donor chassis from a balled up or burnt up car. Still more that had the original engine destroyed. Best to have a strong PPI clause in any sales contract. More than one seller has been completely blindsided by revelations about the car they thought was genuine. I would echo Phil's advice about hiring an RS expert. And possibly even get a second opinion. It's cheap insurance.

An RS touring with low miles and no rust/accidents is $400K and up. Way up. Add "provenance" and documentation from day one and you're into seven figures.

[Matt Monson]

And even having an expert is no guarantee, as evidenced in the Pesto Fraud thread.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/365081-73-rs-fraud-must-read.html

[techweenie]

I know of an RS purchased from a premium dealer that turned out to have an obviously forged number stamping on the engine.

The lightweights, especially, were driven hard and broken and/or crashed. They were built for competition and not considered all that collectible until recently.

Warm up the time machine: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17261/lot/241/

[Matt Monson]

Yep, so much shady over the years. I know of one sold by my former employer that had the original engine sold off and then an RSR spec 2.8l built on replacement case was installed in the car. Back in the 90s very few ever thought these would be 6 figure let alone 7 figure cars.

[airheads]

Thanks everybody. Will be taking a buddy who owns a factory rsr. He is a expert for sure.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by airheads

What's it worth? I will be looking at the car Thursday or Friday with the oppurtunity to purchase. All I know know is it has 40000 original miles and its running and driving. Any info on price would be awesome. Thanks

Is it silver in NJ?

[mobius911]

Originally Posted by techweenie

I know of an RS purchased from a premium dealer that turned out to have an obviously forged number stamping on the engine.

The lightweights, especially, were driven hard and broken and/or crashed. They were built for competition and not considered all that collectible until recently.

Warm up the time machine: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17261/lot/241/

I just read the description of the Bonham's car. Fascinating history and a great cautionary tale of what buyers need to avoid:

Delivered new to Frankfurt, Germany in May 1973, the car offered here, chassis number ‘1316’, is a genuine Carrera RS Touring model, which has been re-shelled using the body from a period-correct Porsche 911T. Until relatively recently it had been assumed that ‘1316’ retained its original bodyshell; indeed, previous owners dating back to 1985 were unaware that it had been re-shelled (see detailed report on file).

It also has the wrong engine and wrong transmission. But hey, at least it retains the (welded-in) RS chassis VIN stamp... Given all that I find Bonham's use of the adjective "genuine" a pretty big stretch, although they clearly documented the irregularities.

Ah, just checked and this is the infamous Pesto RS. Weenie might have been alluding to that in his post, but it went over my head!

[Matt Monson]

That's the same car as Pesto's RS Fraud thread I linked from the 911 Tech Forum. It's quite the story.

[fryardds]

Jeff,

Reading that auction description again just boils my blood. There absolutely nothing, nata, zilch, on that red T from the original RS, yet those fools describe it as 'genuine'. Total load of BS.

Airheads,

Let me know if you would like to verify the production number of the car you are going to inspect. I have a list of all the '73 RS VINs and their production numbers. Be glad to help.

BTW, the Porsche factory was able to tell Pesto the PN of the car he owned was not the original RS 1316, but instead was a '73 T.